Why did Islam face a counter revolution at Karbala?: DSM Satyarthi

Why did Islam face a counter revolution at Karbala?: DSM Satyarthi

I never compromised with the persons, who believe that the present radical, communal and terrorist Islam, is the TRUE ISLAM.
Wafa Sultan does not believe it.

She believes that the PRESENT radical, communal and terrorist Islam, is the TRUE ISLAM:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_Sultan#Reli…
I, every now and then, have to face some bright young sophisticated Muslim ladies, married and unmarried both, who worship the ground, Wafa Sultan walks on.
http://www.copts-united.com/Copts_United_N/TV…

My present active associate, Khadeejah Muhammad, is also one of such bright young sophisticated Muslim ladies.

I haven’t met any Muslim male, till now, who follow Wafa Sultan:
http://www.ncpa.info/news/view_newsdetails.as…
Yet, the large number of the bright young sophisticated Muslim ladies, married and unmarried both, who worship the ground, Wafa Sultan walks on; is too much to be neglected.
They are MORE WAFA SULTAN THAN EVEN WAFA SULTAN is.
My present active associate, Khadeejah Muhammad, is not the leader of such bright young sophisticated Muslim ladies.
But, she REPRESENTS THEM brilliantly.

I remember, in one of her posts, Khadeejah Muhammad, had asked me what the TRUE ISLAM is.
I refer her, and the persons who want my answer to the question, to a link:
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TS7…
Here, they can find my thread:
‘Islam according to Qur’an and Maulana Maududi rahamatullh alaihi’
I think, it’s the TRUE ISLAM.
It’s right there, in Al Qur’an Al Kareem and Ahaith e Muqaddasaat.

However, as I have repeatedly said in my 8138 posts till now, Islam has gone through a counter revolution at Karbala:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karbala
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karbal…

The Sunnis and the Shiaas differ very much in the matter, even somewhat altogether:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karbal…
Yet, it’s not the question under discussion here.
The question under discussion here, is WHY DID IT HAPPEN?
In my opinion, it happened, because unfortunately, Huzoor(SAW) did not live to complete his GREAT HISTORIC ISLAMIC REVOLUTION.
Khulfae Raashideen(RA) tried their best to complete it, yet we can’t deny that they lacked the authority and ingenuity, both; Huzoor(SAW) enjoyed in his(S) lifetime.

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More on Islam from DSM Sayarthi:

1. Bal huv qur’anum majeedun fe LAUHIM MAHFOOZIN

2. Innahu laquranun kareemun Fee kitabin maknoonin

3. ‘Hudallilmuttaqeen’: ‘Guidance for controllers of organs’: 2 Al Baqarah: 2

4. ‘Alaa qalbik litakoon minal-munzireen’ ‘upon your heart one of who to warn’

Zindagi, aa raha hoon main: An interesting audio musical blog: Just listen to, and enjoy

Zindagi, aa raha hoon main:

An interesting audio musical blog: Just listen to, and enjoy

DSM Satyarthi

Click the links to some popular songs, in an interesting specific sequence. Enjoy the songs as if an audio story, implying an altogether different sense:

1. Hera Pheriyan

2. Agar tum na hote

3. Yeh hai reshami zulfon ka andhera

4. Ye sham mastani

5. Aaj jane ki zid na karo

5. Kuchh dil ne kaha

6. Zindagi, aa raha hoon main

7. Zara si aahat hoti hai

7. Jo tum hansoge to duniya hnsegi

8. Nainon mein badra chhaye

9. Pyar diwana hota hai

10. Jaiye aap kahan jayenge

11. Mere mahboob qayaamat hogi-1

12. Yahi voh jagah hai

13. Mere mhboob qayqmat hogi-2

14. Waadiyan mera daman

15. Sa re ga ma pa

16. Allah kare dil na lage kisi se

17. Dil se dil milne ka koi kaaran hoga

19. Saara pyar tumhara

20. Mera pyar voh hai ki

21. Apni to jaise taise

22. Bekas pe karam kijiye

23. Kaahe apnon ke kaam nahin aaye

24. Kaahe apnon ke kaam nahin aaye

25. Pag ghunghroo baandh

26. Meharbaan mahboob  dilbar jaane man!

27. Rimjhim gire sawan

27. Rimjhim gire sawan

28.Balma khuli hawa mein

29. Jawani O diwani

30. Mera sanam sabse pyara hai

31. Chanda O Chanda!

32. Chanda O Chanda!

33. Tere pyar mein dildar

34. Meethi meethi ankhiyon se

35. Allah bachaye nujawanon se

36. Desh chhudaye bhesh chhudaye

37. Dillagi ne di hawa

38. Jaane man! ik nazar dekh le

39. Kya nazaare kya sitaare

40. Chali re chali re gori paniya bharan ko

41. Tu shayar hai

42. Main tujhse pyar karoon main shaairee na karoon

43. Shayad meri shadi ka khayal

44. Manmohna bade jhoothe

45. Dream girl

46. Yeh saman saman hai yeh pyar ka

47. Main pyasa tum savan

48. Main pyasi tum savan

49. Main pyasa tum savan

50. Mere sang ga

51. Hum log hain aese diwane duniya ko jhukakar manenge

52. Dhoondhoge agar

53. Are rafta rafta dekho aankh meri ladi hai

54. Chhedo na meri zulfen

55. Khai ke pan banaras wala

56. Hamen raston ki zaroorat nahin hai

57. Hamare sang sang chalen Ganga ki lahren

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More interesting audio musical blogs from DSM Satyarthi:

1. Zindagi, aa raha hoon main

2. Zindagi ik safar hi suhana

3. Jo tum hansoge

4. Har Chehrā yahān chānd to har zarrā sitarā

5. Main jahan chala jaaoon, bahaar chali aaye

One should never wish to die: Ved hates death

One should never wish to die:

Ved hates death

DSM Satyarthi

Yajurved: Chapter 40: Mantr 2 states:

Kurvanneveh karmaan’i
jijeevishechchhatagvong samaah,
Evam tvayi naanyatheto’sti n’ karm lipyate nare.’

‘Only Doing works here
one should wish to live hundreds of years.
No way for thee but this
so action cleaveth not the man.’

Ved: 2Yajurved: 40/2.

lt’s clear that it contains the Mantraansh under discussion.

Jijeevishechchhatagvong samaah
‘One should wish to live hundreds of years.’
Ved is the Code of LIFE.
IT HATES DEATH.
It does not allow any SUICIDAL TENDENCIES, as some of the cultures do not only allow, rather preach death, under this or that pretext, like NIRVAAN‘ or else.

Ved is the SONG OF LIFE.
Somewhere else, it orders his followers:

Ut devaa avhitam devaa unnyathaa punah,
Utaagashchakrusham devaa devaa jeevyathaa punah.’

Divine ones! Divine ones!
raise up the downtrodden.
And, Divine ones! Divine ones! Make him to live again, who hath done evil.’

–Ved: 4 Atharv Ved: 4/13/1

Utaagashchakrusham devaa devaa jeevyathaa punah.’
‘And, Divine ones! Divine ones!

Make him to live again, who hath done evil.’

–Ved: 4 Atharv Ved: 4/13/1

tells us that a person dies because of his/her evil doings.

It’s a very important revelation.

It’s telling us why do we die.

It means, if we can avoid the basic root of the death, we can even LIVE FOREVER.

There is another Mantr also that confirms this very conclusion:
Vidyaam chaavidyaanch yastadvedobhayagvong sah,
Avidyayaa mr’tyum teertvaa vidyayaamr’tamashnute.’

‘Science and nescience, who knows the both simultaneously; by nescience crossing the death, by science, he obtains the eternity.’

–Ved: 2 Yajurved|40|14

Avidyayaa mr’tyum teertvaa vidyayaamr’tamashnute.’
‘By nescience crossing the death, by science, he obtains the eternity.’

It thus tells us how to cross death:

Avidyayaa mr’tyum teertvaa

‘By nescience crossing the death

Thus, it also defines the ‘AAGAH’ ‘EVIL’.
It’s nothing else, except NESCIENCE.
So, Ved tells us, not to resort to NESCIENCE so that we can live long, and ultimately can WIN OVER DEATH too.

We can’t do it, if we don’t work at all:

‘Kurvanneveh karmaani’
‘Only Doing works here.’

So, the key point to win the death and to live for ever, is WORK EVER:

‘Kurvanneveh karmaan’i’

Lord Kr’shn’ confirms it:

Karman’yevaadhikaaraste maa phaleshu kadaachan

maa karmphlheturbhoormaa te sango’stvakarmani.

‘Your right is in WORK ONLY, NEVER IN RESULTS. Don’t be KARMPHALHETU. Don’t be obsessed in worklessness.’

Shrimad Bhagvad Geeta: 2/47

Never surrender to laziness.

Nature does not help the lazy ones to live and enjoy life even.

Kurvanneveh karmaan’i
jijeevishechchhatagvong samaah,
Evam tvayi naanyatheto’sti n’ karm lipyate nare.

‘Only Doing works here
one should wish to live hundreds of years.
No way for thee but this
so action cleaveth not the man.’

Ved: 2Yajurved: 40/2.

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More from DSM Satyarthi:

1.  Commentary on Ved

2. More On Hinduism

3. On Islam

4. On History

5. Science Fiction

6.  Creative Adult Sex in English from Durgesh

7. Durgesh in Hindi/Urdu

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Commentary on Ved from DSM Satyarthi:

1. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

2. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 2

3. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 5| Mantr 3

4. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 5| Mantr 3

5. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 7| Mantr 5

6. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 7| Mantr 8

4. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 1

5. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 2

6. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 3

7. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 4

8. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 5

9. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 6

10. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 7

11. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 8

12.R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 9

13. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 58| Mantr 6

14. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 164| Mantr 20

15. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 164| Mantr 46

16. R’gved: Mandal 2| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

17. R’gved: Mandal 2| Sookt 12| Mantr 2

18. R’gved: Mandal 3| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

19. R’gved: Mandal 3| Sookt 6| Mantr 2

20. R’gved: Mandal 4| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

21. R’gved: Mandal 5| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

22. R’gved: Mandal 6| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

23. R’gved: Mandal 7| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

24. R’gved: Mandal 8| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

25. R’gved: Mandal 9| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

26. R’gved: Mandal 9| Sookt 63| Mantr 4-5

27. R’gved: Mandal 10| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

28. R’gved: Mandal 10| Sookt 85| Mantr 42

29. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 1

30. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 2

31. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 3

32. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 4

33. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 11| Mantr 1

34. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 13| Mantr 4

35. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 23| Mantr 3

36. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 40| Mantr8

37. Saamved: Mantr 1

38. Sāmved: Mantr 115

39. Sāmved: Mantr 641: Mahānāmnyārchik| 1

40. Sāmved: Mantr 650: Mahānāmnyārchik| 10

41. Sāmved: Mantr 651: Uttarārchik

42. Atharv Ved: Kaand 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

43.  Atharv Ved: Kānd 3| Sookt 30| Mantr 3

44. Atharv Ved: Kānd 3| Sookt 30| Mantr 4

45. Atharv Ved: Kānd 3| Sookt 30| Mantr 6

46. Atharv Ved: Kānd 4| Sookt 4| Mantr 6

47. Atharv Ved: Kānd 4| Sookt 4| Mantr 7

48. Atharv Ved: Kānd 4| Sookt 4| Mantr 8

49. Atharv Ved: Kaand 8| Sookt 1| Mantr 6

50. Atharv Ved: Kaand 14| Sookt 1| Mantr 22

51.Atharv Ved: Kaand 14| Sookt 2| Mantr 25

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More on Hinduism from DSM Satyarthi:

1. ‘Bhoorbhuvah svah!’ ‘The Existence! The Consciousness! The Bliss!’

Atheism can’t win Hinduism/Ved:DSM Satyarthi

Atheism can’t win Hinduism/Ved

DSM Satyarthi


In April 2008, there was an interesting discussion on Ved, Hinduism and atheism.
I reproduce it here, with every word, in original, for the benefit of the interested persons:
Adi from New Delhi wrote:
‘Man you guys suck!!! How stupid is this post. All you stupid Pakis are obsessed about your Islam and your f**ked-up Allah, while all you stupid Indians are obsessed about Hinduism and other shit. Religion SUCKS! It is the biggest destroyer of lives and love in the world. If only religion never existed. Of course it must be noted that however religious the people are, at least India is officially a secular country, while even the Pak govt is obsessed about Islam shit. Racially both India and Pak is the same. It’s not Pak’s fault they got beaten at the wars, India is a bigger and richer country. But all that shit about Indians doing cool science and shit before the west is bullshit. All lies propagated by BJP etc. Me, I am neutral, even though I’m Indian. I don’t give a damn about holy f**king cow gods or shapeless Mohammed-f**ker Allah. All that is BULLSHIT. But at least Indian economy is doing really good, and Indians have the power in their country to protest and select their own govt. We never had a dictator. But I’ll say this for Pakistan, you’ve got some of the HOTTEST girls in the world. You’re doing the world a great disfavour by hiding their faces. Free your women, come on.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p16#c346

I commented lightly:
‘Though I differ with you in your views about religion, I love your request :’But I’ll say this for Pakistan, you’ve got some of the HOTTEST girls in the world. You’re doing the world a great disfavour by hiding their faces. Free your women, come on.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p16#c347

Indiann Nanaimo, Canada said:
‘They are HOTTEST because

For centuries they have been abducting HOTTEST girls from all over Asia.
And hiding there faces
They are the daughters of the ones they abducted for years.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p16#c348

I again commented lightly:
‘I repeat Adi’s request once again:’But I’ll say this for Pakistan, you’ve got some of the HOTTEST girls in the world. You’re doing the world a great disfavour by hiding their faces. Free your women, come on’.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p16#c349

Actually, their women are themselves asking for it now:

Muslimahs! Come to India. I recommend Hindu lovers for all the Muslimahs.: Khadeejah Muhammad’:

https://dsms.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/muslimahs-come-to-india-i-recommend-hindu-lovers-for-all-the-muslimahs-khadeejah-muhammad/

True Indian Lorain, OH responded to Adi:
‘Adi from New Delhi wrote:
Man you guys suck!!! How stupid is this post. All you stupid Pakis are obsessed about your Islam and your f**ked-up Allah, while all you stupid Indians are obsessed about Hinduism and other shit. Religion SUCKS! It is the biggest destroyer of lives and love in the world. If only religion never existed. Of course it must be noted that however religious the people are, at least India is officially a secular country, while even the Pak govt is obsessed about Islam shit. Racially both India and Pak is the same. It’s not Pak’s fault they got beaten at the wars, India is a bigger and richer country. But all that shit about Indians doing cool science and shit before the west is bullshit. All lies propagated by BJP etc. Me, I am neutral, even though I’m Indian. I don’t give a damn about holy f**king cow gods or shapeless Mohammed-f**ker Allah. All that is BULLSHIT. But at least Indian economy is doing really good, and Indians have the power in their country to protest and select their own govt. We never had a dictator. But I’ll say this for Pakistan, you’ve got some of the HOTTEST girls in the world. You’re doing the world a great disfavour by hiding their faces. Free your women, come on.

ur father n mother r f..ker…how dare u to write against hindu gods?..u r welcome accept islam..we dont need u in our hinduism..
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV6…

I again commented lightly:
‘How do you know he is really a Hindu?’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p16#c351

True Indian Lorain, OH responded:
‘If he is not hindu…its really good..We dont want such f..kers in our Hinduism…and if he is not hindu and saying abusing about hindu gods…he has no right to live in India.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p16#c352

Adi declared:
‘I am NOT a Hindu. Please don’t insult me by putting me in any religion. I am an out-and-out atheist. My whole family is Hindu, my parents etc etc. and so is everyone else around me. But I am educated and scientific enough to know that religion is bullshit, all religions including hinduism, islam, christianity, sikhism, jainism, judaism etc etc. Why don’t you people realise that GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!! I mean, how can you believe in something that DOES NOT EXIST? I have no right to live in India? Who says India is a Hindu country? India is a SECULAR country, which means even superior people (i.e. atheists) like me who believe in science and not superstitions have a right to live here. And I have the freedom of speech, I can insult any religion I want. Let’s see you insult my religion, i.e. science, True Indian.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p16#c353

My response to it:
‘I suspected it from your comments.
I don’t “insult”(?) you by putting you in any religion. Moreover, I congratulate you for being a best son to insult your father, mother and all your family by calling them Hindu.
Great! what an atheist tradition!
Insult your father, insult your mother, insult your family. It is the proof that you are a good atheist.
I congratulate you Mr. Atheist! you are brave enough to kick your father, mother, and family on their butts.
Enjoy the high morals of atheism.
Best of luck.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p16#c354

I said to True Indian:
True Indian wrote:
‘If he is not hindu…its really good..We dont want such f..kers in our Hinduism…and if he is not hindu and saying abusing about hindu gods…he has no right to live in India.’

He has confessed now. I told you so already.

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p16#c355

Adi said:
‘Well my parents don’t practice Hinduism. They don’t sit and pray or keep idols etc. But if someone asks them what their religion is, they’ll say Hinduism. I’ll say I don’t have any. Or if you call science, ethics, logic etc religion, those are all mine. I’m not saying calling anyone a Hindu is insulting them. But calling me a Hindu is insulting me.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p16#c356

goldendame New Delhi India said:
‘Adi,

I guess you have not understood Hinduism properly. Hinduism is not just praying to God or conducting poojas. I don’t do that either, but I still call myself a staunch Hindu. Reason being, Hinduism is not a religion, it is a way of life.

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Hinduism is a way of living according to the one’s understanding of principles of Vedas and Upanishads.

Veda is revealed knowledge. Just as the knowledge of gravity was revealed to Newton, similarly, in India, many Rishis or Seers were awakened to certain transcendental Eternal Truths. These Rishis realized that their real nature was not concerned with or linked with ‘body or mind’, nor was it dependent on sense perceptions, but was in fact identical with the Universal Consciousness.

Upanishad means ‘to sit down near’ because they were explained to the students, who sat at the feet of their teachers. In general Upanishads proclaim salvation by knowledge and realization, rather than by faith and works.

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PS: The above 3 paragraphs are a ref from Hindu Forum where someone has written about Hinduism and I found it apt to quote here.’
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV6…

Hinduism is not just praying to Idols… Hinduism has many branches. Ayurveda, Yoga, Astrology, Astronomy – amongst others are part of Hinduism.

Hinduism is full of logics, you can visit the Hindu forum and discuss the same there.

My response to Adi:
‘Adi from New Delhi wrote:
Well my parents don’t practice Hinduism. They don’t sit and pray or keep idols etc. But if someone asks them what their religion is, they’ll say Hinduism. I’ll say I don’t have any. Or if you call science, ethics, logic etc religion, those are all mine. I’m not saying calling anyone a Hindu is insulting them. But calling me a Hindu is insulting me.’

Sorry! I can’t grasp your logic, Mr. Adi! You say calling you Hindu is insulting to you but not insulting to your parents and family. How is it possible? If the word ‘Hindu’ is insulting like dog or donkey or swine it is insulting to everybody. If it is not so, it is not insulting to you also. Or you feel insulted if you are called wise, brilliant, capable even? What do you think the word ‘Hindu’ means? An idolater? No, it does not. Perhaps you haven’t gone through it’s Sanskr’t dictionary meaning ever. I know. You don’t need it. All the atheists who were born in a Hindu family are fools enough that they lose their logic. They attach one meaning to a word for them and completely another meaning to the same word for others. You are following the same tradition among you so called atheists. What do you know about Hinduism that you hate it so much? I don’t think you know Sanskr’t even and have gone through Ved ever. Do you realize what are you doing? You are hating something which you don’t know even what it is actually in its full form. And you call you are following logic and science!What a joke!
Well, keep it on.
Mr. Adi! I am proud of being Hindu because only Hinduism is the hope for humanity today. Thank Hinduism that has taught its followers to be liberal enough to bear with persons like you.
We Hindus practice religious democracy that even you atheists don’t:

‘RELIGIOUS DEMOCRACY in Hinduism: Ekam sadvipra bahudhaa vadanti’:

https://dsms.wordpress.com/2008/11/15/religious-democracy-in-hinduism-ekam-sadvipra-bahudhaa-vadanti/

We are not fools to hate something we don’t know altogether.
You don’t know Hinduism yet you hate it.
Very brilliant of you!
Isn’t it?’

‘Hinduism is PRINCIPLES BASED , not PERSON BASED’:

‘Whom do I worship?: DSM Satyarthi’

‘Sanyas is not the goal of Hinduism’

‘Socialism in Hinduism’

‘Why Hinduism is IMMORTAL?’

‘One should not wish to die: Ved hates death:DSM Satyarthi

‘Why did Lord Kr’shn marry 16,100 Sheikhzadis?’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p17#c359

True Indian Lorain, OH responded to Adi:
‘Adi from New Delhi wrote:
I am NOT a Hindu. Please don’t insult me by putting me in any religion. I am an out-and-out atheist. My whole family is Hindu, my parents etc etc. and so is everyone else around me. But I am educated and scientific enough to know that religion is bullshit, all religions including hinduism, islam, christianity, sikhism, jainism, judaism etc etc. Why don’t you people realise that GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!! I mean, how can you believe in something that DOES NOT EXIST? I have no right to live in India? Who says India is a Hindu country? India is a SECULAR country, which means even superior people (i.e. atheists) like me who believe in science and not superstitions have a right to live here. And I have the freedom of speech, I can insult any religion I want. Let’s see you insult my religion, i.e. science, True Indian.

You r alive because of India and Hinduism..if u live in any muslim country u would be probably killed ..and u deserve it…

U cant insult hindu God the reason is it is insulting of 87 crore Hindus….and we dont forgive those who insult us…this is not ur problem…ur parents r fool…they dont know what to teach u ..they did a big mistake by giving born to u..and they will pay it in future.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p17#c360

I responded to Adi:
‘Adi from New Delhi wrote:
Well my parents don’t practice Hinduism. They don’t sit and pray or keep idols etc. But if someone asks them what their religion is, they’ll say Hinduism. I’ll say I don’t have any. Or if you call science, ethics, logic etc religion, those are all mine. I’m not saying calling anyone a Hindu is insulting them. But calling me a Hindu is insulting me.

You say:

‘Well my parents don’t practice Hinduism. They don’t sit and pray or keep idols etc. But if someone asks them what their religion is, they’ll say Hinduism.’
It means your parents lie?

Well, how much you continue this great tradition?’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p17#c361

True Indian Lorain, OH said:
‘Soon Narendra Modi is coming to Delhi and the ppl like u are thrown away to pakistan very soon so be prepare for it….Shame on u and ur parents..

U look like small kid..but where r ur parents…dont they have mind ..they will pay for doing this mistake.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p17#c362

I said:
‘goldendame wrote:
<quoted text>
Adi,
I guess you have not understood Hinduism properly. Hinduism is not just praying to God or conducting poojas. I don’t do that either, but I still call myself a staunch Hindu. Reason being, Hinduism is not a religion, it is a way of life.
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Hinduism is a way of living according to the one’s understanding of principles of Vedas and Upanishads.
Veda is revealed knowledge. Just as the knowledge of gravity was revealed to Newton, similarly, in India, many Rishis or Seers were awakened to certain transcendental Eternal Truths. These Rishis realized that their real nature was not concerned with or linked with ‘body or mind’, nor was it dependent on sense perceptions, but was in fact identical with the Universal Consciousness.
Upanishad means ‘to sit down near’ because they were explained to the students, who sat at the feet of their teachers. In general Upanishads proclaim salvation by knowledge and realization, rather than by faith and works.
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PS: The above 3 paragraphs are a ref from Hindu Forum where someone has written about Hinduism and I found it apt to quote here

Mr. Adi! I wait your scientific criticism over it that you are so proud of. Let’s talk about your atheist logics Mr. Adi! I think all the atheists are fools. Prove me wrong! I invite you.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p17#c363

Adi from New Delhi said:
‘I don’t have to prove anything to people who believe in stuff that have no proofs.
Prove you wrong? Prove yourself right. Show me your god. I mean, an earthquake comes, is it seismic waves and release of the earth’s core energy? No, it’s lord shiva angry with humanity or something. Hindus are not secular. You heard what the ‘true indian’ said. Narendra Modi sucks, look at his forehead, covered with ashes or something. Most of the people who are sadhus and stuff aren’t even literate. Whereas none of the highly-educated people practice religion much. We have secularism and democracy because luckily the people who created out national government were educated in the west. I don’t hate Hinduism in particular. I hate all religions in general. Thrown to pakistan? Hahaha. So is India going to become a Hindu country? What the hell are you doing in USA,’true indian’? If India is a Hindu country then US is a christian country, and you’d be very happy if the americans kicked your a** like your great modi is planning to kick mine. Atheists don’t practice democracy? All the great democracies of the world are secular states, eg US, France, Britain, India etc. You are trying too make India into Saudi Arabia, only Hindu instead of Muslin. What difference does that make?’
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV6…

‘It’s very simple. The people who don’t mind being called ‘hindu’ like most people around me, calling them hindu is not an insult. For example if I call you a muslim, you’ll get insulted. But calling a muslim a muslim is no big deal. Similarly calling me a hindu is an insult.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p17#c365

My response:
‘And why I have to show you my God?

Who do you think you are to ask me for it?

You are using the word my ‘God’. Do you know what is my concept of God?

‘Whom do I worship?’:

https://dsms.wordpress.com/2008/11/17/whom-do-i-worship-dsm-satyarthi/

And yet without knowing even it, you are asking me to show you my God.

You don’t know what I think of God and even then asking me to show Him to you.
This is an example of your so called atheist scientific logic.

You are proving what I said true.

All the atheists are outright fools.

They don’t know even how to logic.’

http://www.topix.com/fAdi from New Delhi wrote:
It’s very simple. The people who don’t mind being called ‘hindu’ like most people around me, calling them hindu is not an insult. For example if I call you a muslim, you’ll get insulted. But calling a muslim a muslim is no big deal. Similarly calling me a hindu is an insult.’

I responded:
‘A second example of stupidity of atheists.

How do you know I feel insulted if you call me a Muslim? How do you know?

You assume it, like all the other foolish atheists assume; and do not try to know.
You assume.
Your atheism is nothing except some foolish assumptions of yours.
Hinduism stands on revelations.
Atheism stands on assumptions!
And they say they have logic and science on their sides.
Great!

If nobody calls you superior you yourself go ahead and pat your back calling you superior!
What a scientific and logical attitude!
Isn’t it?

And isn’t it the third proof that all the atheists are outright fools?’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p17#c367

Adi from New Delhi wrote:
‘I don’t have to prove anything to people who believe in stuff that have no proofs.
Prove you wrong? Prove yourself right. Show me your god. I mean, an earthquake comes, is it seismic waves and release of the earth’s core energy? No, it’s lord shiva angry with humanity or something. Hindus are not secular. You heard what the ‘true indian’ said. Narendra Modi sucks, look at his forehead, covered with ashes or something. Most of the people who are sadhus and stuff aren’t even literate. Whereas none of the highly-educated people practice religion much. We have secularism and democracy because luckily the people who created out national government were educated in the west. I don’t hate Hinduism in particular. I hate all religions in general. Thrown to pakistan? Hahaha. So is India going to become a Hindu country? What the hell are you doing in USA,’true indian’? If India is a Hindu country then US is a christian country, and you’d be very happy if the americans kicked your a** like your great modi is planning to kick mine. Atheists don’t practice democracy? All the great democracies of the world are secular states, eg US, France, Britain, India etc. You are trying too make India into Saudi Arabia, only Hindu instead of Muslin. What difference does that make?’

I responded:
‘You don’t have to prove because you can’t prove.
How do you know I believe in stuff that have no proof?

How do you know what I believe and what I don’t?
You assume!

Don’t you?
Mr. scientific! Mr. Logical! you assume too much.

You don’t think there is any need to know something before proving it wrong.
How biased you are!
What a scientific and logical attitude of yours!
Salute to your great scientific and logical wisdom! Wow!’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p17#c368

True Indian Lorain, OH responded to Adi:
‘Adi from New Delhi wrote:
I don’t have to prove anything to people who believe in stuff that have no proofs.
Prove you wrong? Prove yourself right. Show me your god. I mean, an earthquake comes, is it seismic waves and release of the earth’s core energy? No, it’s lord shiva angry with humanity or something. Hindus are not secular. You heard what the ‘true indian’ said. Narendra Modi sucks, look at his forehead, covered with ashes or something. Most of the people who are sadhus and stuff aren’t even literate. Whereas none of the highly-educated people practice religion much. We have secularism and democracy because luckily the people who created out national government were educated in the west. I don’t hate Hinduism in particular. I hate all religions in general. Thrown to pakistan? Hahaha. So is India going to become a Hindu country? What the hell are you doing in USA,’true indian’? If India is a Hindu country then US is a christian country, and you’d be very happy if the americans kicked your a** like your great modi is planning to kick mine. Atheists don’t practice democracy? All the great democracies of the world are secular states, eg US, France, Britain, India etc. You are trying too make India into Saudi Arabia, only Hindu instead of Muslin. What difference does that make?

India is ready to invite all the religion but not its terror…India accept muslims but not terror
India accept christians not their forcibly converstion..
India accepts sikhs but not khalistan movement..

India is secular…but dont bow in front of minorities…This is the face of India…

U r acceptable in Hinduism….and as i told u before too..this is not ur fault…ur parents r biggest fools of the earth who didnt slap u on ur thoughts…so I dont want to talk to u..its not ur fault.’
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV6…


Adi from New Delhi wrote:
It’s very simple. The people who don’t mind being called ‘hindu’ like most people around me, calling them hindu is not an insult. For example if I call you a muslim, you’ll get insulted. But calling a muslim a muslim is no big deal. Similarly calling me a hindu is an insult.’

True Indian said:
‘We dont want to call u hindu..We dont want to talk to u..We want to talk to ur parents who gave born to u..(shame on ur parents..they cant give their religion to their son..f..kers..)’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p17#c370

Adi from New Delhi said:
‘I’m not asking you to bow to minorities. Obviously that’s wrong. Obviously terror and forced conversions etc are wrong. But that’s not the debate here. The debate is whether religion is right or not. I don’t really have time to think much about how people prove religion etc. And your parents are the f**kers… let me explain. For eg, when we were both kids, we both would have asked our parents “What is lightning?”. My parents would have said “Lightning is a highly charged bolt of electricity caused by potential difference between rainclouds and the earth’s surface.” Your parents would have said “Lightning is lord indra throwing down his heavenly spears.” Now tell me, which set of parents f**ked their kid up?

I’m an atheist, therefore, I assume nothing. Anything which is proved to me, I believe. As your religion and god and hours of chanting mantra and not eating beef has not got you any tangible results, I refuse to believe in it. Once again, show me proof of god, and I will believe.

Science cannot answer everthing. At least not yet. There are millions of unanswered questions in the universe. But trying to make up answers instead of searching for them (which is what religion is), is hypocracy. Whatever the answers really are, only through science can we know them.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p17#c371

‘Of course another very important part of science and logical thinking is freedom. Freedom of thought. Anyone who believes in religion is free to do so. I’m not trying to force you into not doing that. All I’m giving here is my opinion. Which is of course based on material evidence, not on faith on unseen and unfelt powers, gods etc. My opinion is that religion sucks. ANd answer honestly, how many lives would have been saved if religion had never existed?’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p17#c372

True Indian Lorain, OH said:
‘I m religious that doesnt mean i dont believe in technology…I m technology graduate so dont try to teach me how light is working…My parents r also engineers so they know what is truth…

and u r telling ur parents r hindu so ur grandfather taught ur parents that indra throws light from sky..etc..so ultimately u proved ur grandfathers r f..ker….am i right or u say something wrong??’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p17#c373

My response to Adi:
‘Adi from New Delhi wrote:
I’m not asking you to bow to minorities. Obviously that’s wrong. Obviously terror and forced conversions etc are wrong. But that’s not the debate here. The debate is whether religion is right or not. I don’t really have time to think much about how people prove religion etc. And your parents are the f**kers… let me explain. For eg, when we were both kids, we both would have asked our parents “What is lightning?”. My parents would have said “Lightning is a highly charged bolt of electricity caused by potential difference between rainclouds and the earth’s surface.” Your parents would have said “Lightning is lord indra throwing down his heavenly spears.” Now tell me, which set of parents f**ked their kid up?
I’m an atheist, therefore, I assume nothing. Anything which is proved to me, I believe. As your religion and god and hours of chanting mantra and not eating beef has not got you any tangible results, I refuse to believe in it. Once again, show me proof of god, and I will believe.
Science cannot answer everthing. At least not yet. There are millions of unanswered questions in the universe. But trying to make up answers instead of searching for them (which is what religion is), is hypocracy. Whatever the answers really are, only through science can we know them.’

I said to it:
‘Well, you are answering True Indian not me.
My questions still hammer on your head.
The only portion I can relate to my questions is this:
‘I’m an atheist, therefore, I assume nothing. Anything which is proved to me, I believe. As your religion and god and hours of chanting mantra and not eating beef has not got you any tangible results, I refuse to believe in it. Once again, show me proof of god, and I will believe.’
Again, assuming many things and still not knowing what you are doing even.

How do you know that my religion, and God, and hours of chanting Mantr and not eating beef has not got me any tangible results?
How do you even know I chant Mantr for hours?
You assume it.
Do you not?
And you call it a scientific and logical attitude.
What a brilliant person your atheism has made you.
Don’t try to know anything about other person before contradicting him, just go on assuming and criticizing your own foolish assumptions about him blindly.
That’s why I call you all atheists foolish.
Keep it on. The wise persons are laughing and enjoying your foolish answers very much.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p17#c374

Adi from New Delhi said:
‘I am NOT talking about you in particular, “Humanity”. I am talking about Hinduism as a whole. And ‘True Indian’, my grandparents taught my parents exactly the same things as my parents taught me. It’s just that they don’t mind someone calling them hindu. I do. And if you do believe in science, you’ll know that the answers science and religion give to the same question are often different and contradicting. Which would you believe in such an occasion? In that lightning question, if you do believe in the eletricity explaination, then aren’t you discarding Hinduism?’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p17#c375

I said:
‘I think you must first answer True Indian as you find his questions easily answerable to you.
We’ll talk when you will finish with him.

It will give you more time to think, if you can, how to answer my questions.
You have written to me:’I am NOT talking about you in particular, “Humanity”. I am talking about Hinduism as a whole.’
O.K. Please tell me what Hinduism is.
As you have so deep knowledge of Hinduism that you are talking about Hinduism as a whole.
I am confessing to you openly with all my senses in proper condition, that I do not know what the whole Hinduism is after all.
You have known it because you are criticizing it.
It will give me some knowledge of Hinduism more that I still do not know.
We Hindus believe:
‘Ananta vai Vedah!”Ved is infinite in knowledge’.

Each and everything which the multiverse has and the existence beyond even multiverse, is described in Ved in its basic form.
‘Sarve Abhihite Vede sarvgyaanmayo hi sah.”Everything is there in Ved. Ved contains the entire knowledge’.’
Principally, where it is possible to extract all the knowledge from Ved, practically it is never possible for any one.

Ved is the knowledge given to us Hinus by the Omnipotent, Omniscient and Almighty.
You know it as a whole!

Very good!
Please enlighten me by answering this simple question–‘What Is Hinduism?’
According to Hinduism why the God made the creations?
Let’s start from the beginning itself.
Okay?
I’m waiting eagerly for your valuable answers.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p17#c376

Adi from New Delhi said:
‘Really? So you mean all the vedas arrived by fax from heaven, is it. The four books fell to earth from the skies? No they did not. They were written by the aryans who came to india long ago from central asia and europe. They treated the dravidians (who were more intelligent than them, look at the tamilians) like shit, and they proclaimed that the vedas had come from the almighty. Every religion is like that. Mohammed claimed the quran had been told to him by allah, the bible claims jesus was really the son of god. IT’S NOT TRUE!!! These books were written by MEN, MORTALS THE SAME AS YOU AND I.

I don’t have intricate knowledge about hinduism. I’m not really interested. But I know some of the practices of Hinduism. It’s all around me, India’s full of it. And those practices are useless. They’re all a waste of time. You could spend the time you go to the temple and pray in doing some useful stuff, like studying, or playing football (I hate cricket, but if you like it you can play that too) or teaching, doing business, or creating music, anything valuable, anything that helps your country develop and you prosper. I know a lot about Indian culture, and it’s brilliant. Indian classical music is amazing. But so is so many other cultures. If you seperate culture from religion, you’ll see how much better they are on their own.

I’m sorry but I haven’t read the vedas. I don’t know much about why god (??) created the universe. I have read Ramayana, Mahabharata, the Bible and the Qoran. They’re all wonderfull peices of literature and make very good reading. But that’s all they are. They’re BOOKS. They’re fiction. THEY’RE NOT TRUE.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p17#c377

True Indian Lorain, OH said:
‘Adi from New Delhi wrote:
I am NOT talking about you in particular, “Humanity”. I am talking about Hinduism as a whole. And ‘True Indian’, my grandparents taught my parents exactly the same things as my parents taught me. It’s just that they don’t mind someone calling them hindu. I do. And if you do believe in science, you’ll know that the answers science and religion give to the same question are often different and contradicting. Which would you believe in such an occasion? In that lightning question, if you do believe in the eletricity explaination, then aren’t you discarding Hinduism?

Who told u in Hinduism it is written like Indra is throwing light..etc..Did u read it in any religious book?

The technology used at the time of Lord Ram was very much advanced….the ppl on those days also believe in Technology…do u know this?

Religion is the faith of ppl..ppl believe that there is some centre power who is control everything on earth…it is faith of ppl..and u dont have any right to play with it…so shut ur mouth.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p18#c378

Adi from New Delhi wrote:
‘Really? So you mean all the vedas arrived by fax from heaven, is it. The four books fell to earth from the skies? No they did not. They were written by the aryans who came to india long ago from central asia and europe. They treated the dravidians (who were more intelligent than them, look at the tamilians) like shit, and they proclaimed that the vedas had come from the almighty. Every religion is like that. Mohammed claimed the quran had been told to him by allah, the bible claims jesus was really the son of god. IT’S NOT TRUE!!! These books were written by MEN, MORTALS THE SAME AS YOU AND I.
I don’t have intricate knowledge about hinduism. I’m not really interested. But I know some of the practices of Hinduism. It’s all around me, India’s full of it. And those practices are useless. They’re all a waste of time. You could spend the time you go to the temple and pray in doing some useful stuff, like studying, or playing football (I hate cricket, but if you like it you can play that too) or teaching, doing business, or creating music, anything valuable, anything that helps your country develop and you prosper. I know a lot about Indian culture, and it’s brilliant. Indian classical music is amazing. But so is so many other cultures. If you seperate culture from religion, you’ll see how much better they are on their own.
I’m sorry but I haven’t read the vedas. I don’t know much about why god (??) created the universe. I have read Ramayana, Mahabharata, the Bible and the Qoran. They’re all wonderfull peices of literature and make very good reading. But that’s all they are. They’re BOOKS. They’re fiction. THEY’RE NOT TRUE.’

I said:
‘Good to find you talking to me at last.
I knew you can’t talk seriously.

No atheist can.

You all go to senseless talks.
For example, who said to you that the Ved is received by fax?

Not me.

You are talking to me yet you are not answering me.

You are still keeping on to assume and assume and assume, and then start answering your foolish assumptions by criticizing them.
You are not the first.

All your colleagues do it.
They enjoy it very much.

They can’t criticizereal Hinduism, so they have devised this unique method:

‘Don’t listen to Hindus ever.

Only pretend to listen to them and while pretending, go on to assume as many foolish things as you can.

When once they stop, you start to reiterate your foolish assumptions imposing them on Hindus and go on criticizing them.’
What a scientific and logical attitude!
And you say you are superior to us!

How?

Shame on you and your foolish comrades.
Why can’t you be true to yourselves at least?

Why can’t you see in the mirror how foolish you are?
Who said you that Ved is received by fax so you are criticizing it?

I certainly did not.
You have foolishly written:
‘The four books fell to earth from the skies? No they did not.’
Who said to you that the four books fell to earth from the sky that you are criticizing it and blessing me with your bounty to tell that ‘No, they did not.’?
What a bounty from you!

We Hindus thought they were received by fax.

The four books fell to earth from the skies.’

Now, you have revealed the greatest fact on us that it was not so.
All the Hindus are so much indebted to your scientific revelation.
Nonsense!

Always assuming foolishly and then criticizing own foolish assumptions!
These are the atheists!
The greatest fools I’ve seen till now!

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p18#c379

‘You have written:

‘They were written by the aryans who came to india long ago from central asia and europe.’

Of course they were writtn by Aryans.

I never said that the God wrote them.

He is beyond doing these silly things.

Even a short lived executive has his steno.

We can’t assume God not to have even that facility or alike.

However, you are talking of history till now not of principles.

History is not Hinduism.

Hinduism has history.

I will not argue with you about the Aryan Invasion theory.

You are too ill informed about it even.

You have not updated yourself and yet you are preaching me foolishly your outdated theories as if they are facts proven.

I won’t argue it because it does not concern our present discussion.

Our present discussion is what is Hinduism.

It does not make any difference whether Aryans came from Central Asia, from outer space or from your own house!

Let them come from anywhere!

I’ll not claim even that they were aboriginal residents of India.

As I say it has no effect on our present discussion.

You just keep on to bring every extraneous matter under discussion as you want.

It’s the foolish strategy all the atheists adopt as they can’t talk to the point.

I am vigilant enough to throw away all the extraneous gibberish to keep you on track.
You have written:

‘I don’t have intricate knowledge about Hinduism. I’m not really interested. But I know some of the practices of Hinduism.’
I knew you can’t talk about Hinduism because you don’t know about it.

You are talking about practices.

Every science and Philosophy has its two components:

‘Theory and Practice’.
Theory is a definite thing and it does not differ from person to person.

Practice depends on lot of things.

The ingenuity of the persons who are practicing it, plays a huge part.

In fact no two persons practice a theory alike.

They are not expected to even.

Practice, as such, differs from person to person.

You call this uncertain thing, ‘Hinduism’?

How brilliant of you!
Hinduism has its theory part in Ved.

And, for your kind information Mr. Atheist! The Hinduism is what the Ved tells us.
You haven’t read Ved.

So actually you don’t even know what Hinduism is.
You hate certain practices that differ everywhere.

You can do that.

I myself hate a lot of them.

I myself criticize openly lots of them that they are outright against Ved.

I don’t think I’m doing any harm to Hinduism.

On the contrary, I think I’m serving Hinduism far better than its so called other practitioners.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p18#c380

Adi from New Delhi said:
‘I don’t get it. You’re critizing yet being so general. You never point out anything specific. You’re always saying I’m so illogical etc. I qoute you:

“Principally where it is possible to extract all the knowledge from Ved, practically it is never possible for any one.

Ved is the knowledge given to us Hindus by the Omnipotent, Omniscient and Almighty.”

You really thought I meant fax as in fax, the machine?

I was using a similie.

I was saying that, contrary to what you said, Ved was not given to Hindus by the “Omipotent, Ominiscient and Almighty”. It was written by the Hindus themselves.

I agree many practices may not be part of the original Hinduism.

Yet if Hinduism (or any other religion) had never existed, nobody would have any excuse for the practices. No women would have been burnt in sati, no man would have died in bloody riots, no partition would have taken place, no 9/11 would have happened.

Religion is ALL in the mind.

There has never been any natural evidence to support any practices of any religion.

If people would have searched for natural truth (which is what science is), we would have been far more advanced a world than we are now.

And you yourself know that as more and more is being known about nature, more deseases are being cured, the inherent NEED for religion and a belief in god of man is eroding.

Religion is slowly being wiped out.

It is happening much more fast in the west, but even in India, especially among the urban middle class, the trend of abandoning religion and embracing logic is growing.

For example (I’m quoting from Wikipedia), 70% of Britain claimed they were not affiliated to any religious group, and only 33% said they ‘believed in a god’.

This has to happen.

Religion is an outdated concept.

It cannot last.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p18#c381

I said:
‘You are not specific yourself.

How the answer could be specific?

However, nothing is lost even now!

We can discuss further.
You write:
‘You really thought I meant fax as in fax, the machine? I was using a similie. I was saying that, contrary to what you said, Ved was not given to Hindus by the “Omipotent, Ominiscient and Almighty”. It was written by the Hindus themselves.’
That’s what I mean.
It’s the theory you atheists have developed.

Yet, you treat and want us theists, to accept it as fact.
Why do you  think us fools, while the foolish acts are being done by you atheists, yourselves?

Mind you! I am using plural, not particularly you.
Lenin started it as a policy not to hear theists when they criticize the atheism.
He had especially instructed his followers not to join any argument with the theists if they talk with rationality and logic.
They must be criticized irrespective of how rational and logical they might be.
He instructed them logic with them when they are illogical and don’t logic with them when they are logical.
If you had gone through all the writings of Lenin you would have find it.

If you have not, you should, as Lenin was one of the most successful atheists.

Though, his atheism was not behind his success, it was his ingenuity.
You claim to be a person of scientific attitude yet you resort to simile when we start argument.
I have written:
‘You have written : ‘They were written by the aryans who came to india long ago from central asia and europe.’

Of course they were written by Aryans.

I never said that the God wrote them.

He is beyond doing these silly things.

Even a short lived executive has his steno. We can’t assume God not to have even that facility or alike.’
It was a complete answer to you in the matter, yet you repeat it again.
What do you mean?
We should accept your foolish theories as universal facts?

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p18#c384

‘You write:
‘I was saying that, contrary to what you said, Ved was not given to Hindus by the “Omipotent, Ominiscient and Almighty”. It was written by the Hindus themselves.’
How do you know?
What proof you have for it?
You think all our Rishis were liars?
Only you atheists are truthful?
I can’t buy it.
When we compare the characters of our Rishis and that of you atheists we find them more truthful than you persons are.
It is observed, in practice, that the liars make theft of others’ successful literary work and produce them as their own.
I haven’t seen a person who write as beautiful and as eternal literature as Ved and instead claiming the credit for it gives the credit to others.
Nobody does it.
However you are claiming it is the case in the matter.
How can I believe?
How many books have you written, or your friends, and attributed to others?
How many articles have you written or your friends and attributed to others?
How many poems have you written, or your friends, and attributed to others?
My dear friend! No one is as mad as  to do it.
Yet, you want me to believe this already super flop, rejected, and outdated crazy theory of Marx and Lenin?
Ved is a large literary and humanistic work.
It consists of more than even 20,000 verses.
This great literary and humanistic work was done and its writers did not claim they had written it.
They attributed it to God.
They claimed they saw it, not conceived.
It is not theirs.
It is given to them.
This alone act tells to any sane person that they were telling the truth.
The same writers who claimed that Ved were given to them, have written other books.
Those other books even lose the multiversal eternal concept and profound humanity we find in Ved.
These other books lack the depth Ved has.
How can it be if the Ved and the other books are from the same source?
A writer revises, improves himself in his later work more and more.

later work of the same Rishis must outexcel Ved more and more.
We find the case is not as such.
Ved outexcels on all the later Aryan work.
It itself establishes beyond all doubt that Ved is not their work.
So, my dear friend! you are quite mistaken.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p18#c385

Adi from New Delhi wrote:
‘Of course another very important part of science and logical thinking is freedom. Freedom of thought. Anyone who believes in religion is free to do so. I’m not trying to force you into not doing that. All I’m giving here is my opinion. Which is of course based on material evidence, not on faith on unseen and unfelt powers, gods etc. My opinion is that religion sucks. ANd answer honestly, how many lives would have been saved if religion had never existed?’

I said:
‘You write:
‘My opinion is that religion sucks. ANd answer honestly, how many lives would have been saved if religion had never existed?’
And, similarly, if we extend your logic, how many lives would have been saved if Communism never existed!
Evidently, Communism is not a religion, at least the Communists don’t claim so.
It did not last even 75 years.
It could not complete even a century.
Yet, the lives, it did cost, were thousands of millions.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p19#c401

Adi from New Delhi wrote:
‘Of course another very important part of science and logical thinking is freedom. Freedom of thought. Anyone who believes in religion is free to do so. I’m not trying to force you into not doing that. All I’m giving here is my opinion. Which is of course based on material evidence, not on faith on unseen and unfelt powers, gods etc. My opinion is that religion sucks. ANd answer honestly, how many lives would have been saved if religion had never existed?’

I said:
‘You have written:
‘Of course another very important part of science and logical thinking is freedom. Freedom of thought.’
Communism does not believe in freedom of thought.
Go to the entire history of Soviet Empire which could not complete even a 3/4 century.
Through out its tenure the very first thing it snatched out of its people was the very freedom of thought you are talking of.’

Hinduism believes in Religious democracy, however.

‘RELIGIOUS DEMOCRACY in Hinduism: Ekam sadvipra bahudhaa vadanti’.

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p19#c402

Adi from New Delhi wrote:
It’s very simple. The people who don’t mind being called ‘hindu’ like most people around me, calling them hindu is not an insult. For example if I call you a muslim, you’ll get insulted. But calling a muslim a muslim is no big deal. Similarly calling me a hindu is an insult.’

I said:
‘Let me clear myself.
While going through this discussion again, I realized that perhaps I haven’t written anywhere what the true meaning of the word ‘Hindu’ according to Sanskr’t dictionary.
As none asked me perhaps I let it go at that.
Please allow me to provide the necessity.
According to Standard Sanskr’t Dictionaries,’Hindu’means:
‘Hindurdushtnr’h prokto’nary’neetividooshakah,
Saddharmpalako vidvan Shrautdharmparayanah’
‘A Hindu is called to be the one who never compromises with the wicked. He destroys the policies against humanism. He practices the system of life that is noble. He is intelligent and learned. He par excelles in the system of life described in Ved.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p19#c403

Adi said:
‘I agree many practices may not be part of the original Hinduism. Yet if Hinduism (or any other religion) had never existed, nobody would have any excuse for the practices. No women would have been burnt in sati, no man would have died in bloody riots, no partition would have taken place, no 9/11 would have happened.’

I said:
‘Hinduism did not say to follow corrupt practices.
In democracy, the malpractitioner candidates appeal to caste, creed, and selfish desires of certain groups of voters.
By extending your reasoning, one can claim: ‘If Democracy did not exist no malpractitioner candidate would have appealed to caste, creed and selfish desires to the voters, and would have divided the humanity.’
Do you think this reasoning correct?
Certainly not.
Then how what you say make Hinduism responsible for malpractices of its so called followers?
Why only followers are not responsible for what they did?
Why Hinduism in Principle?
Hinduism never preached them those malpractices.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p19#c405

Adi from New Delhi wrote:
‘I don’t get it. You’re critizing yet being so general. You never point out anything specific. You’re always saying I’m so illogical etc. I qoute you:
“Principally where it is possible to extract all the knowledge from Ved, practically it is never possible for any one. Ved is the knowledge given to us Hinus by the Omnipotent, Omniscient and Almighty.”
You really thought I meant fax as in fax, the machine? I was using a similie. I was saying that, contrary to what you said, Ved was not given to Hindus by the “Omipotent, Ominiscient and Almighty”. It was written by the Hindus themselves.
I agree many practices may not be part of the original Hinduism. Yet if Hinduism (or any other religion) had never existed, nobody would have any excuse for the practices. No women would have been burnt in sati, no man would have died in bloody riots, no partition would have taken place, no 9/11 would have happened.
Religion is ALL in the mind. There has never been any natural evidence to support any practices of any religion. If people would have searched for natural truth (which is what science is), we would have been far more advanced a world than we are now. And you yourself know that as more and more is being known about nature, more deseases are being cured, the inherent NEED for religion and a belief in god of man is eroding. Religion is slowly being wiped out. It is happening much more fast in the west, but even in India, especially among the urban middle class, the trend of abandoning religion and embracing logic is growing.
For example (I’m quoting from Wikipedia), 70% of Britain claimed they were not affiliated to any religious group, and only 33% said they ‘believed in a god’.
This has to happen. Religion is an outdated concept. It cannot last.

‘I agree many practices may not be part of the original Hinduism. Yet if Hinduism (or any other religion) had never existed, nobody would have any excuse for the practices. No women would have been burnt in sati, no man would have died in bloody riots, no partition would have taken place, no 9/11 would have happened.’

I said:

‘Interesting! What a logic!
If there were no nuclear science, there were no atom bomb, no Hiroshima, no Nagasaki, no terrorist country could have nuclear weapon. If there were no science, there were no nuclear science even!
I wonder whether I am talking to even a sane person!’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p19#c409

Adi from New Delhi wrote:
‘I don’t get it. You’re critizing yet being so general. You never point out anything specific. You’re always saying I’m so illogical etc. I qoute you:
“Principally where it is possible to extract all the knowledge from Ved, practically it is never possible for any one. Ved is the knowledge given to us Hinus by the Omnipotent, Omniscient and Almighty.”
You really thought I meant fax as in fax, the machine? I was using a similie. I was saying that, contrary to what you said, Ved was not given to Hindus by the “Omipotent, Ominiscient and Almighty”. It was written by the Hindus themselves.
I agree many practices may not be part of the original Hinduism. Yet if Hinduism (or any other religion) had never existed, nobody would have any excuse for the practices. No women would have been burnt in sati, no man would have died in bloody riots, no partition would have taken place, no 9/11 would have happened.
Religion is ALL in the mind. There has never been any natural evidence to support any practices of any religion. If people would have searched for natural truth (which is what science is), we would have been far more advanced a world than we are now. And you yourself know that as more and more is being known about nature, more deseases are being cured, the inherent NEED for religion and a belief in god of man is eroding. Religion is slowly being wiped out. It is happening much more fast in the west, but even in India, especially among the urban middle class, the trend of abandoning religion and embracing logic is growing.
For example (I’m quoting from Wikipedia), 70% of Britain claimed they were not affiliated to any religious group, and only 33% said they ‘believed in a god’.
This has to happen. Religion is an outdated concept. It cannot last.’

I said:

‘Religion is ALL in the mind.’
Science is also not elsewhere.
If you are really a science student perhaps you have come across the statements of renowned scientists that in quantum theory and atomic theory the mental condition of the scientist plays a huge part.
Why is it so if these theories are not ‘all in mind’?’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TV63PGE6BCKQTR8LM/p19#c410

‘We Hindus practice religious democracy that even you atheists don’t.’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/TK4C9MBC2CTRIGT42

‘70% of Britain claimed they were not affiliated to any religious group, and only 33% said they ‘believed in a god’.’

It’s in Britain, because Britain is not a Hindu dominated nation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom#O…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom#C…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom#E…

I’m sorry to say that Christianity is not capable to face atheism.
However, it does not mean that Hinduism does also suffer the same weaknesses as Christianity does.

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/hindu/T9NFQK5E77ANU5R13

Adi says:

It’s not Pak’s fault they got beaten at the wars, India is a bigger and richer country.’

I’m again sorry to disagree with our Mr. Adi here too.

India is bigger and richer, is not a fact unknown to anyone.

Naturally, every Government of Pakistan, irrespective of the fact whosoever it may be, knows the fact too.

Then why it fights with India at all?

That’s why its Pak’s fault, Mr. Adi, not anyone else’s.

Keep your sense of justice on the right track, at least,  if not the rest of your senses.

You say you are impartial.

Be justified too.

Thanks for bearing with me so long.

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More on Hinduism from DSM Satyarthi:

1. ‘Bhoorbhuvah svah!’ ‘The Existence! The Consciousness! The Bliss!’

2.‘Devasy’ pashy’ kaavyam, n’ mamaar, n’ jeeryati.’

3. Hinduism shines

4.Ved is the eternal law book having infinite knowledge in it for human beings

5. ‘According to facts’: ‘Yaathaatathyatah’

6. ‘SET THIS WOMAN for WELL DOER’: ‘Imaam naareem Sukr’te dadhaat’

7. The Evernew Hinduism: Yaathaatathyatah: Ved 2|40|8

8. ‘How to cross death’: ‘Tamev viditvaati mr’tyumeti’: Ved2Yajurved|31|18

9. According to Hinduism: We must be polite, not coward

10.Ye yathaa maam prapadyante taanstathaiv bhajaamyaham: Lord Kr’shn

11. ‘Maachchhitthaa asmaallokaat’ ‘Be not severed from this world’: Ved

12. The mental slavery of the English-educated Indians

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More on Islam from DSM Sayarthi:

1. Bal huv qur’anum majeedun fe LAUHIM MAHFOOZIN

2. Innahu laquranun kareemun Fee kitabin maknoonin

3. ‘Hudallilmuttaqeen’: ‘Guidance for controllers of organs’: 2 Al Baqarah: 2

4. ‘Alaa qalbik litakoon minal-munzireen’ ‘upon your heart one of who to warn’

5. Muslimahs! Come to India. I recommend Hindu lovers for all the Muslimahs.: Khadeejah Muhammad

6. Islam according to Qur’an and Maulana Maududi rahamatullh alaihi

7. A Moment of grave thinking for the entire sophisticated Muslim Community

8. ‘SET THIS WOMAN for WELL DOER’: ‘Imaam naareem Sukr’te dadhaat’

9. ‘V’ innahu fe UMMALKITAABI ladainaa la’liyyun hakeemun’: 43/4

10. Most Present day Muslms don’t do what Huzoor(SAW) did:

11. The Muslim beauties are wooing Hindu men FASTEST

12. ‘What really matters in the sight of God’: Maulana: Maududi

13. Why did Islam face a counter revolution at Karbala?

14. Why there are differences among us?

15. No differences Please!

16. Communal Muslims discuss my Muslim wife, me and my Muslim women: Durgesh

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Commentary on Ved from DSM Satyarthi:

1. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

2. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 2

3. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 5| Mantr 3

4. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 5| Mantr 3

5. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 7| Mantr 5

6. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 7| Mantr 8

4. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 1

5. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 2

6. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 3

7. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 4

8. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 5

9. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 6

10. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 7

11. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 8

12.R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 9

13. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 58| Mantr 6

14. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 164| Mantr 20

15. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 164| Mantr 46

16. R’gved: Mandal 2| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

17 R’gved: Mandal 3| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

18. R’gved: Mandal 3| Sookt 6| Mantr 2

19. R’gved: Mandal 4| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

20. R’gved: Mandal 5| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

21. R’gved: Mandal 6| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

22. R’gved: Mandal 7| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

23. R’gved: Mandal 8| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

24. R’gved: Mandal 9| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

25. R’gved: Mandal 9| Sookt 63| Mantr 4-5

26. R’gved: Mandal 10| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

27. R’gved: Mandal 10| Sookt 85| Mantr 42

28. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 1

29. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 2

30. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 3

31. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 4

32. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 11| Mantr 1

33. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 13| Mantr 4

34. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 23| Mantr 3

35. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 40| Mantr8

36. Saamved: Mantr 1

37. Sāmved: Mantr 115

38. Sāmved: Mantr 641: Mahānāmnyārchik| 1

39. Sāmved: Mantr 650: Mahānāmnyārchik| 10

40. Sāmved: Mantr 651: Uttarārchik

41. Atharv Ved: Kaand 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

42.  Atharv Ved: Kānd 3| Sookt 30| Mantr 3

43. Atharv Ved: Kānd 3| Sookt 30| Mantr 4

44. Atharv Ved: Kānd 3| Sookt 30| Mantr 6

45. Atharv Ved: Kānd 4| Sookt 4| Mantr 6

46. Atharv Ved: Kānd 4| Sookt 4| Mantr 7

47. Atharv Ved: Kānd 4| Sookt 4| Mantr 8

48. Atharv Ved: Kaand 8| Sookt 1| Mantr 6

49. Atharv Ved: Kaand 14| Sookt 1| Mantr 22

50.Atharv Ved: Kaand 14| Sookt 2| Mantr 25

Sati tradition was an Aasur Tradition, not Vedic at all

Sati tradition was an Aasur Tradition,

NOT Vedic at all

DSM Satyarthi

Ved does not preach a wife to burn herself with the dead body of her husband.
There isn’t any such verse.
A person, Suraj, has claimed that:
‘just tell me in ur religion wife has to be burnt alive if his husband dies (this verse has been removed from vedas by swami viveknanda)still u are claming women has equal right in hinduism.’
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/hindu/TB1…
I replied it:
Which verse?
Quote it with proper reference from Pre Vivekanand literature.
No such verse existed ever.
It’s only an anti-Hindu propagnda:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Hindu
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/hindu/TB1…
I further confirmed it:
‘True.
I’ve already asked him.
He can’t produce any, because there never was any such verse .
If it was there, why Kaushalya, Kaikeyi, and Sumitra, any of these three widows of Dashrath, did not follow it?
It was an Aasur tradition, not Vedic, at all.
Sulochna followed it, and Ravan did not stop her.
Hindus adopted it afterwards from Asurs, in their profound stupidity.’
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/hindu/TB1…

It’s my stand in the matter.
If someone disagrees with me, he/she is most welcome to post his/her arguments with competent references to be checked.

Ved, quite contrary to the so called Sati Tradition, instructs the widows:
‘Udeershv naaryabhi jeevlokam,
gataasumetamup shesh ehi.
Hastgraabhasy’ didhishostavedam
patyurjanitvamabhi sam babhooth.’

‘Stand up, woman! come to the wanted world of living beings.
It is the remnant of the gone, your hand-holder husband’s, maker’s you pregnant, birth.
Behave properly as you like.’
-Ved: 1R’gved: 10|18|8

The words used by Eishan Param Brahm Paramatma are quite clear.
‘Stand up, woman!’
‘Udeershv, naari!’
Don’t sit there helpless.
Collect yourself.

‘Come to the wanted world of living beings.’
‘ABHI JEEVLOKAM EHI.’
‘Ehi=Aa+ihi.”Come.’
‘wanted world of living beings’
‘ABHI JEEVLOKAM’.

‘It is only the remnant of the gone’
‘Gataasumetamup shesh’

It’s not your husband any more.
It’s only his remnant ‘Up Shesh’.
He has gone,’Gataasum’.

‘your hand-holder husband’s’
‘Hastgraabhasy’Patyuh’
‘maker’s you pregnant’
‘didhishostav’

‘Birth”Janitvam’,
NOT DEATH ACTUALLY.

He hasn’t died actually.
He has taken REBIRTH.
This body was not suitable for him. any more.
He has gained a new body.

Lord Kr’shn‘ has explained this phenomena as:
Vaasaansi jeern’aani yathaa vihaay’,
navaani gr’hn’aati naro’paraan’i,
tathaa shareeraan’i vihaay’
jeern’aanyanyaani samyaati navaani dehee.
http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-02-22…

‘As a man gets other new apparels giving up old worn out garments,similarly giving up the old worn out bodies, the embodied gets other new ones.’
Shrimad Bhagvad Geeta: 2|22
http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-02-22…

The woman is free to do whatever proper for her she likes:
‘Behave properly as you like.’
‘ABHI SAM BABHOOTH’.
-Ved: 1R’gved: 10|18|8

Ved does not take this matter lightly.
It repeats it again in its fourth and concluding volume, Atharv Ved:
‘Udeershv naaryabhi jeevlokam,
gataasumetamup shesh ehi.
Hastgraabhasy’ didhishostavedam
patyurjanitvamabhi sam babhooth.’

‘Stand up, woman! come to the wanted world of living beings.
It is the remnant of the gone, your hand-holder husband’s, maker’s you pregnant, birth.
Behave properly as you like.’
-Ved: 4 Atharv Ved: 18|3|2

Exactly the same words, those in R’g Ved 10|18|8

Horace Hayman Wilson comments on this Mantr:

This verse is to be spoken by the husband’s brother etc., to the wife of the dead man, and he is to make her leave her husband’s body.
See the Ashvalaayan Gr’hy’ Sootr: 4|2
.’
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbe29/sbe2914…

He further comments:
‘THIS VERSE IS INTERESTING AS SHOWING THAT IN LATEST PART OF THE VAIDIK AGE, THERE WAS NO TRACE OF SUTTEE.’

So, I think, even Horace Hayman Wilson agrees with me, in the matter.

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More on Hinduism from DSM Satyarthi:

1. ‘Bhoorbhuvah svah!’ ‘The Existence! The Consciousness! The Bliss!’

2.‘Devasy’ pashy’ kaavyam, n’ mamaar, n’ jeeryati.’

3. Hinduism shines

4.Ved is the eternal law book having infinite knowledge in it for human beings

5. ‘According to facts’: ‘Yaathaatathyatah’

6. ‘SET THIS WOMAN for WELL DOER’: ‘Imaam naareem Sukr’te dadhaat’

7. The Evernew Hinduism: Yaathaatathyatah: Ved 2|40|8

8. ‘How to cross death’: ‘Tamev viditvaati mr’tyumeti’: Ved2Yajurved|31|18

9. According to Hinduism: We must be polite, not coward

10.Ye yathaa maam prapadyante taanstathaiv bhajaamyaham: Lord Kr’shn

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1. Commentary on Ved
2. More On Hinduism
3. On Islam
4. On History
5. Science Fiction
6. Creative Adult Sex in English from Durgesh
7. Durgesh in Hindi/Urdu

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Commentary on Ved from DSM Satyarthi:

1. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

2. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 2

3. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 5| Mantr 3

4. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 5| Mantr 3

5. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 7| Mantr 5

6. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 7| Mantr 8

4. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 1

5. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 2

6. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 3

7. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 4

8. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 5

9. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 6

10. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 7

11. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 8

12.R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 9

13. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 58| Mantr 6

14. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 164| Mantr 20

15. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 164| Mantr 46

16. R’gved: Mandal 2| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

17 R’gved: Mandal 3| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

18. R’gved: Mandal 3| Sookt 6| Mantr 2

19. R’gved: Mandal 4| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

20. R’gved: Mandal 5| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

21. R’gved: Mandal 6| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

22. R’gved: Mandal 7| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

23. R’gved: Mandal 8| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

24. R’gved: Mandal 9| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

25. R’gved: Mandal 9| Sookt 63| Mantr 4-5

26. R’gved: Mandal 10| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

27. R’gved: Mandal 10| Sookt 85| Mantr 42

28. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 1

29. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 2

30. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 3

31. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 4

32. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 11| Mantr 1

33. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 13| Mantr 4

34. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 23| Mantr 3

35. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 40| Mantr8

36. Saamved: Mantr 1

37. Sāmved: Mantr 115

38. Sāmved: Mantr 641: Mahānāmnyārchik| 1

39. Sāmved: Mantr 650: Mahānāmnyārchik| 10

40. Sāmved: Mantr 651: Uttarārchik

41. Atharv Ved: Kaand 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

42.  Atharv Ved: Kānd 3| Sookt 30| Mantr 3

43. Atharv Ved: Kānd 3| Sookt 30| Mantr 4

44. Atharv Ved: Kānd 3| Sookt 30| Mantr 6

45. Atharv Ved: Kānd 4| Sookt 4| Mantr 6

46. Atharv Ved: Kānd 4| Sookt 4| Mantr 7

47. Atharv Ved: Kānd 4| Sookt 4| Mantr 8

48. Atharv Ved: Kaand 8| Sookt 1| Mantr 6

49. Atharv Ved: Kaand 14| Sookt 1| Mantr 22

50.Atharv Ved: Kaand 14| Sookt 2| Mantr 25

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Sanyas is not the goal of Hinduism

Sanyas is not the goal of Hinduism

DSM Satyarthi

Though it is quite right that Hinduism is the everfirst Philosophy/System of life that preaches spirituality, its goal is not, and was never, SANYAS, the renunciation.

Ved is the ultimate book and the ultimate authority on Hinduism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hinduism.ht…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hindu…
http://hinduism.about.com/
http://www.hinduism.co.za/
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/cultural/religion…
http://uwacadweb.uwyo.edu/religionet/er/hindu…
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/index.htm

Yet, it does not preach Sanyas.
Instead, it preaches:
‘Ten tyakten bhunjeetha’
‘With that renounced, enjoy thyself’
‘Kurvanneveh karmaan’i
jijeevishechchhatagvong samaah,
Evam tvayi naanyatheto’sti n’ karm lipyate nare.’

‘Only Doing works here
one should wish to live hundreds of years.
No way for thee, but this,
so action cleaveth not the man.’

Ved: 2Yajurved: 40/2.’

‘Bhunjeethaa’
‘enjoy thyself’
NOT ‘Tyajeethaa’ ‘Renounce thyself’.

Elsewhere Ved says:
Aham bhoomimadadaamaaryaayaaham
vr’shtim daashusshe martyaay’,
Ahamapo anayam vaavashaanaa,
Mam devaaso anu ketamaayan.’

‘I have bestowed the land/earth upon the Aary’/better. I’ve rain upon the one who donates and never forgets that one has to die. I guided forth the loudly roaring waters/beauties/deeds.
The divine ones moved according to my discipline.’
-Ved: 1 R’g Ved: 4/26/2

Aham bhoomimadadaamaary’
‘I have bestowed the land/earth upon the Aary’/better.’
FOR WHAT?
To renounce it?
If so, there was no need to BESTOW IT ITSELF ab initio.
Why this useless (Shanno Mitrah! Shaantam Paapam!) bounty then?
If ultimately it was to be renounced, why bestow it ab initio?
So, it’s quite natural to understand that the land/earth ‘bhoomim’ has been bestowed upon the ‘Aary’/the better’ to enjoy it-‘Bhunjeethaa‘ ‘Enjoy thyself’, NOT ‘Tyajeethaa’ Renounce thyself’.

Shri Ramcharit Manas describes the attributes of ‘Ram Raajy’:
‘Chaariu charan dharm jag maaheen,
poori rahaa sapnehun agh naaheen.’

‘Dharm had filled the universe with all its four steps. There was no sin at all, even in dreams.’
-Shri Ramcharit Manas: 7 Uttar Kand: 20/3

What are these four steps of Dharm?
Dharm, Arth, Kaam and Mox, naturally.

Lord Ram never resorted to Sanyas.
Lord Kr’shnnever did it, too.
Lord Ram is called MARYADA PURUSOTTAM.
Lord Kr’shn‘ is called YOGESHVAR.
What do you mean?
They did not know even WHAT HINDUISM IS?
And they did DHARM SANSTHAPAN even without knowing it?
Nonsense!

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1.  Commentary on Ved

2. More On Hinduism

3. On Islam

4. On History

5. Science Fiction

6.  Creative Adult Sex in English from Durgesh

7. Durgesh in Hindi/Urdu

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Commentary on Ved from DSM Satyarthi:

1. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

2. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 2

3. R’gved: Mandal 2| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

4. R’gved: Mandal 3| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

5. R’gved: Mandal 4| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

6. R’gved: Mandal 5| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

7. R’gved: Mandal 6| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

8. R’gved: Mandal 7| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

9. R’gved: Mandal 8| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

10. R’gved: Mandal 9| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

11. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 1

12. Saamved: Mantr 1

13. Atharv Ved: Kaand 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

Socialism in Hinduism

Socialism in Hinduism

Socialism refers to any of various economic and political concepts of state or collective (i.e. public) ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods and services, some of which have been developed into more or less highly articulated theories and/or praxis.[1] In a Marxist or labor-movement definition of the term, socialism is a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done with the goal of creating a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community.[2] This control may be exercised on behalf of the state, through a market, or through popular collectives such as workers’ councils and cooperatives. As an economic system, socialism is often characterized by state, cooperative, or worker ownership of the means of production, goals which have been attributed to, and claimed by, a number of political parties and governments.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

Hinduism does not oppose PRIVATE PROPERTY.
Yet, it preaches to its followers:

Eishaavaasyamidagvong sarvam,
yatkinch’ jagatyaam jagat,
Ten tyakten bhunjeetha,
Maa gr’dhah kasy’ sviddhanam.’

Kurvanneveh karmaan’i
jijeevishechchhatagvong samaah,
Evam tvayi naanyatheto’sti n’ karm lipyate nare.’

Panentheable by the Lord must be This All;
Each thing, whatsoever moves in the Multiverse.
With that renounced, enjoy thyself,
Covet no wealth of anyone.’

Only Doing works here
one should wish to live hundreds of years.
No way for thee but this
so action cleaveth not the man.’

Ved: 2Yajurved: 40/12.’

The policy, how to behave with the Multiverse surrounding us, is described here, in these two Mantrs.

The first point of the policy is,
Eishaavaasyamidagvong  sarvam
Panentheable by the Lord must be This All,’

What is this ‘all’?
Ved itself elaborates:
yatkinch’ jagatyaam jagat
‘Each thing, whatsoever moves in the Multiverse.’

The second point of the policy is:
Ten tyakten bhunjeetha
‘With that renounced, enjoy thyself’

This is the reason, why it was enunciated that–
Eishaavaasyamidagvong sarvam
Panentheable by the Lord must be This All,’

If ‘yatkinch’ jagatyaam jagat
‘Each thing, whatsoever moves in the Multiverse.’
is panentheable by the Lord, it means THAT IT IS NOT OURS, that it belongs to Eishan Param Brahm Parmatma.

An atheist may laugh at it,

An atheist may laugh at it, but he can’t refuse that:
yatkinch’ jagatyaam jagat
‘Each thing, whatsoever moves in the Multiverse’
was present here before he was even born, and will CONTINUE to remain here, even when he’ll die.

So, how it can be his/her?

If one insists that there isn’t any God, even then
yatkinch’ jagatyaam jagat
‘Each thing, whatsoever moves in the Multiverse
can’t be his/her.
It may be that of the nation, but NOT HIS/HER.

It is the fact that’s been reminded here effectively.
Why?
So that a person should not develop an emotion of possession for
‘yatkinch’ jagatyaam jagat
‘Each thing, whatsoever moves in the Multiverse‘.

With this true emotion that nothing is actually mine, one should enjoy the multiverse:
Ten tyakten bhunjeetha

This principle, enunciated here, thus destroys all the roots of all possible corruptions.

The PRINCIPLE, thus stated in Ved, however, was not limited actually TO THE VEDIC AGE ONLY.
The Hindus, whether they know about anything of Ved or not, they still believe in:
‘SABAI BHOOMI GOPAL KI.’
‘The entire land belongs to the God.’

What is this strong belief of present day Hindus?
It’s the same old Ved Mantr, expressed in different words only:
”Eishaavaasyamidagvong sarvam’
‘Panentheable by the Lord must be This All,’

Ved does not state this principle only lightly in one place.
It repeats the principle AGAIN AND AGAIN, emphasizing thus, that THE VED IS ABSOLUTELY SERIOUS ABOUT IT.
It says:
‘Kevalaagho bhavati kevalaadee.’
‘One is personified sin, if one eats alone.’
It orders its followers:
‘Shathast samaahar, sahasrhast samkir.’
‘Hundred handed! collect from everywhere properly. Thousnd handed! Distribute properly.’
Ved: 4 Atharv Ved: 3/24/5

The question is:
WHY HINDUISM DOES NOT OPPOSE PRIVATE PROPERTY, as Communism and Socialism do?

The question becomes more important when one knows about the philosophical, legal and political debates on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property

Hinduism believes in family.
It orders its followers:
Ihaiv stam maa viyaushtam vishvamaayurvyashnutam,
Kreedantau putrairnaptr’bhirmodmaanau sve gr’he.’

‘Abide only here, both of you, never be separated, Enjoying your entire life:
Sporting with sons and grandsons, happy in your own home.’
Ved: 1 R’g Ved: 10/85/42

This order was so important,in the eyes of Ved, that it repeats it again, in Atharv Ved, explaining how its followers’ homes should be:

Ihaiv stam maa viyaushtam vishvamaayurvyashnutam,
Kreedantau putrairnaptr’bhirmodmaanau svastakau.’

‘Abide only here, both of you, never be separated, Enjoying your entire life:
Sporting with sons and grandsons, rejoicing well-homed.’
Ved: 4 Athrv Ved: 14/1/22

Here, Hinduism differs with both the Communism and Socialism, strongly.
Hinduism orders a stout family, for entire lifetime of a person, man or woman.
It orders JOINT FAMILY even.
Communism and Socialism, in their sheer foolishness, are trying their best to destroy it, CREATING, THUS, SO MANY SOCIAL AND MEDICAL PROBLEMS, for their blind supporters.
Including madness and suicides, too.

‘Is capitalism any better.’
No.
I’m not proposing Capitalism.
I’m proposing HINDUISM.
I’m proposing PROFOUND HUMANITY.

I’ve written:
‘Ved does not state this principle only lightly in one place.
It repeats the principle AGAIN AND AGAIN, emphasizing thus, that THE VED IS ABSOLUTELY SERIOUS ABOUT IT.
It says:
‘Kevalaagho bhavati kevalaadee.’
‘One is personified sin, if one eats alone.’
It orders its followers:
‘Shathast samaahar, sahasrhast samkir.’
‘Hundred handed! collect from everywhere properly. Thousnd handed! Distribute properly.’
-Ved: 4Atharv Ved: 3/24/5 ‘

Is it Capitalism?

Certainly NOT.

It’s Hinduism.

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More on Hinduism from DSM Satyarthi:

1. ‘Bhoorbhuvah svah!’ ‘The Existence! The Consciousness! The Bliss!’

2.‘Devasy’ pashy’ kaavyam, n’ mamaar, n’ jeeryati.’

3. Hinduism shines

4.Ved is the eternal law book having infinite knowledge in it for human beings

5. ‘According to facts’: ‘Yaathaatathyatah’

6. ‘SET THIS WOMAN for WELL DOER’: ‘Imaam naareem Sukr’te dadhaat’

7. The Evernew Hinduism: Yaathaatathyatah: Ved 2|40|8

8. ‘How to cross death’: ‘Tamev viditvaati mr’tyumeti’: Ved2Yajurved|31|18

9. According to Hinduism: We must be polite, not coward

10.Ye yathaa maam prapadyante taanstathaiv bhajaamyaham: Lord Kr’shn

11. ‘Maachchhitthaa asmaallokaat’ ‘Be not severed from this world’: Ved

12. The mental slavery of the English-educated Indians

19. Change the Society . Don’t Surrender to it: Lesson from Life of Karn’

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More on Islam from DSM Sayarthi:

1. Bal huv qur’anum majeedun fe LAUHIM MAHFOOZIN

2. Innahu laquranun kareemun Fee kitabin maknoonin

3. ‘Hudallilmuttaqeen’: ‘Guidance for controllers of organs’: 2 Al Baqarah: 2

4. ‘Alaa qalbik litakoon minal-munzireen’ ‘upon your heart one of who to warn’

5. Muslimahs! Come to India. I recommend Hindu lovers for all the Muslimahs.: Khadeejah Muhammad

6. Islam according to Qur’an and Maulana Maududi rahamatullh alaihi

7. A Moment of grave thinking for the entire sophisticated Muslim Community

8. ‘SET THIS WOMAN for WELL DOER’: ‘Imaam naareem Sukr’te dadhaat’

9. ‘V’ innahu fe UMMALKITAABI ladainaa la’liyyun hakeemun’: 43/4

10. Most Present day Muslms don’t do what Huzoor(SAW) did:

11. The Muslim beauties are wooing Hindu men FASTEST

12. ‘What really matters in the sight of God’: Maulana: Maududi

13. Why did Islam face a counter revolution at Karbala?

14. Why there are differences among us?

15. No differences Please!

16. Communal Muslims discuss my Muslim wife, me and my Muslim women: Durgesh

17. Yes, I chose to marry a man from the kaafir community .: Sidrah

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More from DSM Satyarthi:

1.  Commentary on Ved

2. More On Hinduism

3. On Islam

4. On History

5. Science Fiction

6.  Creative Adult Sex in English from Durgesh

7. Durgesh in Hindi/Urdu

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Commentary on Ved from DSM Satyarthi:

1. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

2. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 2

3. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 58| Mantr 6

4. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 164| Mantr 20

5. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 164| Mantr 46

6. R’gved: Mandal 2| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

7. R’gved: Mandal 3| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

8. R’gved: Mandal 4| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

9. R’gved: Mandal 5| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

10. R’gved: Mandal 6| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

11. R’gved: Mandal 7| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

12. R’gved: Mandal 8| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

13. R’gved: Mandal 9| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

14. R’gved: Mandal 9| Sookt 63| Mantr 4-5

15. R’gved: Mandal 10| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

16. R’gved: Mandal 10| Sookt 85| Mantr 42

17. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 1

18. Saamved: Mantr 1

19. Atharv Ved: Kaand 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

20. Atharv Ved: Kaand 14| Sookt 1| Mantr 22

21.Atharv Ved: Kaand 14| Sookt 2| Mantr 25

Why Hinduism is IMMORTAL?

Why Hinduism is IMMORTAL?

DSM  Satyarthi

Ab initio,right from the beginning of the creations, Hinduism claims that it exists:

‘Naasadaaseeno sadaseettadaaneemnaaseedrajo
no vyomaa paro yat,

kimaavareevah kuh kasy’ sharmannambhah kimaaseedgahanam gabheeram?
N’ Mr’tyuraaseedamr’tam n’ tarhi
n’ raatryaa ahn aaseetpraketah,
aaneedavaatam svadhayaa tadekam
tasmaaddhaany’nn’ parah kinchanaas.’

– Ved: 1R|10| 129 Naasadeey’ Sookt| 1-2.

Dr. Isaac Asimov has translated these two

mantrs:

‘Then was not nonexistent nor existent,
there was no realm of air, no sky beyond it.
What covered in, and where?
And what gave shelter? Was water there,
Unfathomed depth of water?
Death was not then,
nor was there aught immortal:
no sign was there, the day’s and night’s divider.
That One Thing, breathless,
breathed by its own nature:
apart from it was nothing whatsoever’.
– Creations: Isaac Asimov: Harrap London 1984: p.101.

Moreover, he has written an introductory note also:

‘Those people whose education and experience have been sharply limited to their own communities are apt to end with a totally self-contained view of the Universe. Their language is the only language. Why should anyone call a boy a knabe or a garcon, when a boy is manifestly a boy?
Again, people who believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God often believe that the King James Bible, specifically, that is so inspired, and turn away in horror from any attempt to correct or modernize what is after all merely a translation. Or as one aged parishioner said, waving his Bible,‘If the King James was good enough for the prophets and apostles, it is good enough for me.’
Yet there are sophisticated attempts at penetrating the mysteries of creation that are neither scientific nor Judo Christian and here is one of them: a Hindu Attempt.
There are points in it that resemble Genesis1 (chaos and darkness first, and then light), and points that do not (the Universe first and gods next, rather than reverse).
– Creations: Isaac Asimov: Harrap London 1984: p.101.

It faced successfully all the aggressions and attacks on it, whether Raxasism of Ravan that had a slogan of ‘Wayam Raxaamah’ ‘We Protect’; Persianism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Communism, atheism and what not .

They converted entire nations elsewhere.
Mind you, not only one nation, NATIONS.
Yet, the same philosophies, the same systems of life, the same religions; marched to India, very aggressively, YET FAILED MISERABLY.

Why is it so?

Even, now the internationally famous, and respected poet, Sir Muhammad Iqbal, when he was an Indian, wrote with a great pride:

‘Kuchh baat hai ki hasti mitti nahin hamari,
dushman raha hai sadiyon, daure jahan hamara.’

What is that ‘baat’?

The humanity of Hinduism, of course!

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More on Hinduism from DSM Satyarthi:

1. ‘Bhoorbhuvah svah!’ ‘The Existence! The Consciousness! The Bliss!’

2.‘Devasy’ pashy’ kaavyam, n’ mamaar, n’ jeeryati.’

3. Hinduism shines

4.Ved is the eternal law book having infinite knowledge in it for human beings

5. ‘According to facts’: ‘Yaathaatathyatah’

6. ‘SET THIS WOMAN for WELL DOER’: ‘Imaam naareem Sukr’te dadhaat’

7. The Evernew Hinduism: Yaathaatathyatah: Ved 2|40|8

8. ‘How to cross death’: ‘Tamev viditvaati mr’tyumeti’: Ved2Yajurved|31|18

9. According to Hinduism: We must be polite, not coward

10.Ye yathaa maam prapadyante taanstathaiv bhajaamyaham: Lord Kr’shn

11. ‘Maachchhitthaa asmaallokaat’ ‘Be not severed from this world’: Ved

12. The mental slavery of the English-educated Indians

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More on Islam from DSM Sayarthi:

1. Bal huv qur’anum majeedun fe LAUHIM MAHFOOZIN

2. Innahu laquranun kareemun Fee kitabin maknoonin

3. ‘Hudallilmuttaqeen’: ‘Guidance for controllers of organs’: 2 Al Baqarah: 2

4. ‘Alaa qalbik litakoon minal-munzireen’ ‘upon your heart one of who to warn’

5. Muslimahs! Come to India. I recommend Hindu lovers for all the Muslimahs.: Khadeejah Muhammad

6. Islam according to Qur’an and Maulana Maududi rahamatullh alaihi

7. A Moment of grave thinking for the entire sophisticated Muslim Community

8. ‘SET THIS WOMAN for WELL DOER’: ‘Imaam naareem Sukr’te dadhaat’

9. ‘V’ innahu fe UMMALKITAABI ladainaa la’liyyun hakeemun’: 43/4

10. Most Present day Muslms don’t do what Huzoor(SAW) did:

11. The Muslim beauties are wooing Hindu men FASTEST

12. ‘What really matters in the sight of God’: Maulana: Maududi

13. Why did Islam face a counter revolution at Karbala?

14. Why there are differences among us?

15. No differences Please!

16. Communal Muslims discuss my Muslim wife, me and my Muslim women: Durgesh


Commentary on Ved from DSM Satyarthi:

1. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

2. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 2

3. R’gved: Mandal 2| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

4. R’gved: Mandal 3| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

5. R’gved: Mandal 4| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

6. R’gved: Mandal 5| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

7. R’gved: Mandal 6| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

8. R’gved: Mandal 7| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

9. R’gved: Mandal 8| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

10. R’gved: Mandal 9| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

11. R’gved: Mandal 10| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

12. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 1

13. Saamved: Mantr 1

14. Atharv Ved: Kaand 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

Ved: Yajurved: Adhyāý 1: Mantr 1

Ved: 2 Yajurved:

Poorv Vinshati:

Adhyāý 1: Mantr 1

DSM Satyarthi

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O    Om ishé tvorjjé tvā vāyavasth’ devo vah savitā prārpayatu shréshŧhtamāý karmañ āpyāyadhvamaghnyā’indrāy’ bhāgam prajāvatīranamīvā’ayaxmā mā v’ sten eishat māghshagvagvonso dhruvā’asmin gopatau syāt bahvīryajmaanasý pashūnpāhi.

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1. 1Om! For food2/the will power3,thee4 . For energy,thee5 . Breezes are ye6. Divine Creator impel, you all7, to noblest work8. Complete properly9, Inviolable female10! share for the controller of organs11. Rich in offspring/subject12.Free from sickness13. Free from diminishing14No thief rule on you, no evil-praiser15. Be constant in this master of ‘go’16, numerous females17! Guard the cattle of the worshiper18.

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 1. R’shi: Paraméshŧhī Prajāpati.

The Param Purush/the absolute man is Paraméshŧhī. He has been nominated by Eishān Param Brahm Paramātmā Himself, to play the same role in the democratic system of all His infinite creations, as the President plays in a Parliamentary Democratic System.

But there are some differences too:

A. He is nominated, not chosen, as it is required in a Parliamentary Democratic System.

B. His authority can be challenged in the Supreme Court of Eishān Param Brahm Paramātmā only, nowhere else.

C. The persons who are atheists have nothing to complain, as they don’t believe in the Existence of Eishān Param Brahm Paramātmā Himself. They have not to believe in the existence of Param Purush too, similarly.

Param Purush is also capable to execute his authority himself, almost like Eishān Param Brahm Paramātmā.

Eishān Param Brahm Paramātmā is Almighty.

Param Purush is also almost almighty, having only one supreme authority above him, Eishān Param Brahm Paramātmā.

D. One can differ with Param Purush, but one can’t challenge his authority anywhere else except in the court of Eishān Param Brahm Paramātmā.

E. Param Purush is immortal, while the other Presidents are not.

F. A difference of opinion with Param Purush is not necessarily a disobedience to Eishān Param Brahm Paramātmā, until it is against Ved itself.

Dévtā/Divine Subject: Savitā, the Creator.

Chhand/Meter: Till ‘Bhāgam’: Svarāŧ Br’hatī. Svar: Madhyam.

After ‘Bhāgam’: Chhand/Meter: Brāhmī Ushñik. Svar: R’shabh.

Yajurved is the second volume of Ved.

Yajurved is divided into forty chapters. Each chapter is called ‘Adhyāý’.

These forty chapters are grouped in two groups of twenty chapters each.

The first group is called ‘Poorv Vinshati’, and the second one is called ‘Uttar Vinshati’.

‘Vinshati’, in Sanskr’t, means ‘twenty’, nothing else.

It is clear from this Mantr, thus, that Yajurved does not deal with definitions, as R’g Ved did.
It deals with family and politics.
Family:
‘Complete properly, Inviolable female! Share for the controller of organs. Rich in offspring/subject. Free from sickness. Free from diminishing.’
aapyaayadhvamaghnyaa’indraay’ bhaagam prajaavateeranameevaa’ayaxmaa. ‘

Politics:
‘No thief rule on you, no evil-praiser.’
”maa v’ sten eishat maaghshagvaongso.’

Throughout Yajurved, we find these two subjects, mainly, dealt with.

Ralph T. H. Griffith M.A., C.I.E. has introduced Yajurved thus:

THE YAJURVEDA—derived from the roots yaj, to sacrifice or, worship, and vid, to know,—is the Knowledge of Sacrifice or Sacrificial Texts and Formulas as distinguished from the Rigveda or Knowledge of Recited Praise, the Sâmaveda or Knowledge of Chanted Hymns, and the Atharva or Brahmaveda which is the Knowledge of Prayer, Charm, and Spells. Though ranking second in the Indian enumeration of the Vedas and containing much that is of very ancient origin, its compilation in its present form, exhibiting as it does the almost complete development of castes and mixt castes and considerable advance in arts and sciences, trades, handicrafts and occupations, is evidently of later date than that even of the Atharva.’

I’m sorry to disagree, profoundly, with the learned scholar of Ved, Ralph T. H. Griffith M.A., C.I.E., here.

First of all, Ved should not be valued, each volume separately, altogether.

It can be valued thus, to evaluate each volume of Ved, separately.

But, even then, the evaluator must never forget that these volumes are, after all, the volumes of a Complete Book.

The entire Book has a meaning of its own.

The volumes are necessary to provide easy perusal of the book.

They are not separate books.

They are volumes of a Complete Book, conveying its own meaning.

Unfortunately, this original concept is missing altogether in these prefaces, or introductions to separate volumes of Ved, making them erroneous thus.

16. ‘Be constant in this master of ‘go’, numerous females!’
Dhruvaa’asmin gopatau syaat, Bahveeh!’
This Mantr, thus, addresses the women of Sukr’ts, noble doers.
The Sukr’t, Noble doer, is said to be ‘MASTER OF GO”GOPATI’, here.
Ved contains infinite knowledge:
‘Anantaa vai Vedaa’.
‘GOPATI’ has been translated here ‘MASTER OF GO’, because ‘GO’ does not mean ‘WOMEN’ only in Vedic Sanskr’t.

It means, ORGAN, LAND, ALIVE, MOVING, ANIMAL, BULL, COW

, etc. as well.
Vedic Sanskr’t is actually a TELEGRAPHIC LANGUAGE.
It was devised by Eishan Param Brahm Paramatma, Himself, to convey His knowledge for human beings, to guide them eternally, IF THEY WANT IT.
Eishan Param Brahm Paramatma does not impose even His divine knowledge on any one.
It’s there if you want it for you.
It’s there, but not for you, if you don’t want it.

17.  ‘Bahvīh’ in original text.

You must act exactly akin to a bull in this matter.

You lose human beings if you act otherwise.

You must never fight this inherent tendency in you.

It is not harmful to the human society.

If it were, We haven’t allowed it to be inherent in you.

Never allow yourself to be a prey for the evil ones.

They always talk of justice, but never actually mean it.

If possible, they would always be the first to do injustice to others.

That’s why this movement is not based on well talkers, ‘Suvaktr’.

It is based on Sukr’ts, well doers.

We are not proposing talks here.

We are proposing actions:

Kurvannévéh karmāñi jijīvishéchchhagvong samāh,

Évam tvayi nānyathéto’sti n’ karm lipyaté naré.’

VedYajurved40|2

‘Doing Karm only, here, one should wish

to live hundreds of years.

Only this is the way for thee, none else;

So Karm cleaveth not to man.’

Never believe on what they say.

Always watch what they do:

Mukham padmdalākāram vāchā chandanshītalā,

Hr’dayam krodhsanyuktam, trividham dhūrtlaxañam.’

‘Face as handsome as a flock of lotuses, speech as cooling as sandalwood, heart is full of fury, the three are symptoms of a perfidious.’

Sukr’t must never decline polygamy, if he is capable.

In a system of life that never compromises with the matrimonial right to the evil doers, polygamycannot be negated absolutely.

It cannot be denied that there may be a time too, when Sukr’ts are not so many in numbers, enough to practice monogamy with the entire womankind.

What is another practical option then except polygamy for Sukr’ts?

Yes, the evil doers can raise hell on it.

They can protest that only monogamy is a human practicepolygamy is an animalistic.

But, all their protest must be faced bravely to establish a human society marching ahead aggressively to infinite divinity.

Fight with the evil doers for the cause:

Udyachchhadhvamap raxo hanāthémām nārīm sukr’té dadhāt.

Dhātā vipashchit patimasyai vivéd bhago rājā pur étu prajānan.’

Stand up/Raise ye. Smite away the demons. Set this woman for well doer. Inspired holder/guardian must know especially the husband for her. The well knowing politician come first/ahead for her genital organ.’

Ved: 4 Atharv Ved: 14| 1| 59

An ideal love maker, ‘Vansagah’, is not the one who makes love to please his beloved for the time being only.

An ideal love maker, ‘Vansagah’, is the one who makes love to please his beloved forever.

How it can please forever his beloved if the future of her children is not safe in a corrupt and wicked society?

It is an established fact now that Polygamy is now almost out of our civilized systems of life.

Only some Islamic countries are practicing it now.

They claim Al Qur’an Al Kareem and Islam allow it.

‘Allow it’, Not order it.

Yet, it’s legal there.

The countries that practice monogamy always ridicule it, always criticize it and claim it’s against humanity.

Why?

They claim it’s a grand oppression on womankind.

Their claim is of course true if all the husbands are really Sukr’ts.

Is it true?

The oppression on womankind is still there if a husband is not a Sukr’t.

Monogamy has not stopped it.

Monogamy is not successful in stopping the oppression on womankind.

It’s only a lollipop the present civilized society has presented to the womankind.

Hinduism was stressing its optimum on humankind that it’s the only way to end the oppression on womankind to necessitate a Sukr’t and Sukr’t husband only.

If a man is not Sukr’t he must never be allowed to have any matrimonial rights at all.

The womankind was agreeing with Hinduism and avoiding a dushkr’t almost always as a husband.

The societies that were formed only to get rid of constant reforms Hinduism was adamant to bring in the mankind were upset how to face this practical problem.

Their own womankind was not only opting for a Hindu husband, they were resorting to have at least a clandestine Hindu lover, if it was not possible for them to have a Hindu husband.

The concerned societies were not worried of the oppression on their womankind.

They were never.

And to speak a never unspoken bold truth, they are not still now.

They have never considered it even as a possible option to end the oppression on their womankind to be Sukr’t themselves.

If they had there was nothing else to stop them from joining Hinduism.

Instead of doing this, they proposed monogamy and divorce to score on Hindus, to their own womankind.

Hence the monogamy and divorce were devised by non Hindu societies.

It was not for the benefit of their womankind to get rid of the oppression of their mankind.

No, it was not.

It was only claimed to be so.

Actually it was a lollipop to their own womankind to keep them away from a Hindu husband/Hindu lover.

Gradually such non Hindu societies even started to claim, entirely shamelessly, that Hinduismoppresses womankind.

It practices polygamy and requires from womankind never to resort to any divorce at all:

Ihaiv stam mā vi yaushŧam vishvamāyurvyashnutam,

Krīdantau putrairnaptr’bhirmodmānau své gr’hé.’

‘Remain ye both only here. Don’t be separated. Enjoy whole life sporting with sons grandsons, rejoicing in your own home.’

VedR’gved10|85|42

‘‘Ihaiv stam mā vi yaushŧam vishvamāyurvyashnutam,

Krīdantau putrairnaptr’bhirmodmānau svastakau.’

‘Remain ye both only here. Don’t be separated. Enjoy whole life sporting with sons grandsons, rejoicing in the beautiful home.’

VedAtharv Ved14|1|22

Their womankind fell for it because they were never told the true facts.

They were taught not to be educated.

Why education for women at all?

Why should they learn anything except to please their own mankind?

It explains why the non Hindu societies were so adamant not to educate their own womankind.

Their education liberated their women and sent them to Hindus.

When they could not stop them even then, they resorted to their Honor Killings even instead of controlling and improving themselves to be Sukr’ts.

18Yajurved is the second volume of Ved.

As everyone knows, Ved is divided into four volumes.

The first volume, R’gved is almost the half of the entire Ved.

It contains basic definitions of everything, exhaustively, a human being needs for the journey from humanity to infinite divinity.

If a human being, whether male or female, wants to live a successful life, s/he has to go nowhere else.

Ved can guide everyone to the success s/he dreams to attain, if understood and followed properly.

The British were so afraid of Ved that they mistranslated and misinterpreted it, exhaustively, to break and divide the historical unity Hindus and Musalmeen were enjoying and to uproot them thus.

It forced the British to face 1857.

The infallible East India Company lost its political power to the British Government.

It was impossible for the British not to analyze their historical defeat.

They found three persons behind 1857,

Nānā Sāħab PeshwaTātyā Ŧopé and Maharani Laxmi Bai, the world famous Queen of Jhansi.

All the three were brought out under only one court, the court of Bājī Rao II.

Bājī Rao II never compromised with the British.

They forced Bājī Rao II to take pension and go to Biŧhoor.

Yet, the great patriot patronized 1857, through his great children and interns, even after six years of his death.

He planned 1857 successfully right under the very nose of the British.

How it was done?

Guarding the cattle of the worshiper, of course.

And what are the cattle of the worshiper, ‘Yajmānasý Pashūn’?

Eishān Param Brahm Paramātmā/Ved clarify it Him/itself:

Vitishŧhantām māturasyā upasthānnānārūpā pashavo jāýmānāh.

Sumangalyup sīdémamagnim, sampatnī, pratibhūshéh dévān.’

‘Let there come forth from the genital organ of this mother, animals of various forms, being born.

Well doing woman, sit by the man leading to light. Proper wife, ornamentize here the divine ones.’

Ved4 Atharvved: 14|2|25

Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 2

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More commentary on Ved from DSM Satyarthi:

1. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

2. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 2

3. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 5| Mantr 3

4. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 5| Mantr 3

5. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 7| Mantr 5

6. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 7| Mantr 8

4. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 1

5. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 2

6. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 3

7. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 4

8. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 5

9. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 6

10. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 7

11. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 8

12.R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 19| Mantr 9

13. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 58| Mantr 6

14. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 164| Mantr 20

15. R’gved: Mandal 1| Sookt 164| Mantr 46

16. R’gved: Mandal 2| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

17 R’gved: Mandal 3| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

18. R’gved: Mandal 3| Sookt 6| Mantr 2

19. R’gved: Mandal 4| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

20. R’gved: Mandal 5| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

21. R’gved: Mandal 6| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

22. R’gved: Mandal 7| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

23. R’gved: Mandal 8| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

24. R’gved: Mandal 9| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

25. R’gved: Mandal 9| Sookt 63| Mantr 4-5

26. R’gved: Mandal 10| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

27. R’gved: Mandal 10| Sookt 85| Mantr 42

28. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 1

29. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 2

30. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 3

31. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 4

32. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 11| Mantr 1

33. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 13| Mantr 4

34. Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 23| Mantr 3

35. Saamved: Mantr 1

36. Sāmved: Mantr 641: Mahānāmnyārchik| 1

37. Sāmved: Mantr 650: Mahānāmnyārchik| 10

38. Sāmved: Mantr 651: Uttarārchik

39. Atharv Ved: Kaand 1| Sookt 1| Mantr 1

40.  Atharv Ved: Kānd 3| Sookt 30| Mantr 3

41. Atharv Ved: Kānd 3| Sookt 30| Mantr 4

42. Atharv Ved: Kānd 3| Sookt 30| Mantr 6

43. Atharv Ved: Kaand 8| Sookt 1| Mantr 6

44. Atharv Ved: Kaand 14| Sookt 1| Mantr 22

45.Atharv Ved: Kaand 14| Sookt 2| Mantr 25

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1. ‘According to facts’: ‘Yaathaatathyatah’

2. According to Hinduism: We must be polite, not coward

3. Aheism can’t win Hinduism/Ved

4. Casteism is NOT an intgral part of Hinduism:’Samaanee prapaa sah vonnabhaagah’ ”Same drinking same share of food.’

5. Hinduism builds its society on SUKR’TS/Noble doers:’Imaam naareem Sukr’te dadhaat’

6. Hinduism is PRINCIPLES BASED , not PERSON BASED

7. One should not wish to die: Ved hates death

8. RELIGIOUS DEMOCRACY in Hinduism: Ekam sadvipra bahudhaa vadanti

9. Sanyas is not the goal of Hinduism

10. Sati tradition was an Aasur Tradition, not Vedic at all

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Ved: 2 Yajurved: Adhyāý 1: Mantr 14

Ved Bhāshý: 2 Yajurved:

Poorv Vinshati:

Adhyāý 1: Mantr 14

DSM Satyarthi

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Sharmāsyavdhūtagvong raxo’vadhūtā arātayo’dityāstvagasi prati tvāditirvéttu.

Adrirasi vānaspatyo grāvāsi pr’thubudhnah prati tvādityāstvagvéttu.

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 1Shelter art thou2.

Rejected are fiends3.

Rejected are the ones who don’t donate the fifth part of their incomes4.

Skin of aditi art thou5.

Let aditi know about thou6.

Stone art thou7, wooden8.

Stone art thou, broad based9.

Let the skin of aditi know about thou10.

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 1 Rshi: Paraméshŧhī Prajāpati.

Dévtā/Divine Subject: Yagyah, Yajn, the best work according to Shatpath Brāhmañ. Chhand/Meter Svarād Jagatĭ.

Svar: Nishād.

  1. ‘Sharmāsi’.

You can’t deny shelter to anyone who needs Our shelter.

Never forget you have deliberately joined Our Organization.

Sangaŧhan Sookt that ends R’gved, implies it if you really accept that Ved is the Constitution of the entire Multiverse We Ourself have constituted.

Never forget this Organization of Us actually represents Ourself, not anyone else less of Us.

Tvayā vayagvong Saghātagvong.’

‘Through thou We are the Organization.’

  1. Avdhūtagvong raxah’.

The system working in the entire infinite creations never accepts them.

That’s why sooner or later, ultimately, they are bound to lose.

If you peruse the entire human history you can’t find the evil doers, the fiends ever flourished endlessly.

Even Communists couldn’t survive more than seventy two years while they were actually not fiends.

Their mission wasn’t incorrect.

Only their means were destructive.

  1. Yachchhantām Panch’.

 

Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 16

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Ved: 2 Yajurved: Adhyāý 1: Mantr 13

Ved Bhāshý: 2 Yajurved:

Poorv Vinshati:

Adhyāý 1: Mantr 13

DSM Satyarthi

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1Yushmā’ indro’vr’ñīt vr’trtūrýé

Yūyam indram avr’ñīdhvam vr’trtūrýé.

Proxitā sth.

2Agnaýé tvā jushŧam proxāmi

Agnīshomābhyām tvā jushŧam proxāmi.

3Daivýāý karmañé shundhadhvam

Dévýajýāýai yadvo’shuddhāh

Parājaghnuh.

Idam vah tat shundhāmi.

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The controller of organs, Muttaqī, selected4 you in holy fight with vr’tr5.

You all selected6 the controller of organs, Muttaqī, in holy fight with vr’tr.

Properly consecrated you are7.

For the one who leads to light, I consecrate you properly8, the sincerely loved one9.

For both the agni and som10 I consecrate you properly, the sincerely loved one11.

Consecrate you all12 for the divine work13 for the divine one14.

For the divine worship15 because you all are dirty16.

Defeated absolutely17.

I consecrate this you all individually18.

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Rshi: Paraméshŧhī Prajāpati.

 

1 Dévtā/Divine Subject: Jndr, the controller of organs. Muttaqī in Al Qur’an Al Karkm.

Chhand/Meter: Nichr’d Ushñik.

Svar: R’shabh.

 

2 Dévtā/Divine Subject: Agni, the one who leads to light.

Chhand/Meter: Virād Gāyatrk.

Svar: Shadj.

 

3 Dévtā/Divine Subject: Yagyah, Yajn, the best work according to Shatpath Brāhmañ. Chhand/Meter: Bhurik Ushñik.

Svar: R’shabh.

 

Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 14

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Ved: 2 Yajurved: Adhyāý 1: Mantr 12

Ved Bhāshý: 2 Yajurved:

Poorv Vinshati:

Adhyāý 1: Mantr 12

DSM Satyarthi

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Pavitré stho vaishñavyau saviturvah prasav utpunamyachchhidreñ pavitréñ sūryasý rashmibhih.

Dévīrapo’agréguvo’agrépuvo’gr’imamadý yagýam nayatāgré yagýpatigvong sudhātum yagýpatim dévyuvam.

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1Ye two2 are strainers3 that belong to the all-pervading4 worthy to it5.

In the perfect creation of your Creator of all, I purify you progressively6 with the rays of Sun that is flawless6 and sacred7.

Extremely beautiful divine women8 lead forward9 sanctity first10.

Today first, lead this best work11, first master of the best work12 that holds beautifully13, Master of the best work owning divine youth14.

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1.Rshi: Paraméshŧhī Prajāpati.

Dévtā/ Divine Subject: ApSavitārau, the extremely beautiful women and the Creator of all.

Chhand/Meter: Bhurigatyashŧi.

Svar: Gāndhār.

This pivotal Mantr classifies the extremely beautiful women, Apsarās, Ħoors of Al Qur’an Al Karīm, in two classes.

 

One: The extremely beautiful women that have divine attributes in them, Dévīrāpah’.

Secondly: They are extremely beautiful but they don’t possess the divine attributes, Apsarās, Ħoors only, not Dévīh.

 

This important classification of Apsarās, Ħoors, is very much important to understand the scientific function of both family and politics.

 

R’gved didn’t need to go into these details.

The function of R’gved wasn’t to implement the principles it enunciated.

It was a different subject entirely.

Eīshān Param Brahm Paramātmā hasn’t intermixed the theory and implementation parts both of His Book of Life Science, Ved.

This Book of Life Science is itself produced in a completely scientific manner.

R’gved is only a Book of Definitions, ‘R’k Stutau’.

Its function is not to tell how to implement those principles in life too that it has enunciated.

R’gved is only the theory part of the Book of Life Science Eīshān Param Brahm Paramātmā has downloaded for us:

 

Swayambhūryāthātathyato’arthān vyadadhāchchhāshvatībhyah samābhyah.’

 

The Self Existent has constituted perfectly the aims for eternal people/years.’

 Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 13

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Ved: 2 Yajurved: Adhyāý 1: Mantr 11

Ved Bhāshý: 2 Yajurved:

Poorv Vinshati:

Adhyāý 1: Mantr 11

DSM Satyarthi

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Bhūtāý tvā nārātaýé svarabhivikhýésham dr’gvonghantām duryāh pr’thivyāmurvantarixamanvémi.

Pr’thivyāstvā nābhau sādayāmyadityā’ upasthé’gné havyagvong rax.

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1For physical you, not for the person that doesn’t donate the fifth part of his/her income, Heaven2. Strengthen apt interpretation3. Homes on earth4. Spread huge space I research5. At the center of earth, I establish thou6. In the lap of unbreakable earth7. Agni, shield Havý8.

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1.Rshi: Paraméshŧhī Prajāpati.

Dévtā/ Divine Subject: Agni, one who leads to light.

Chhand/Meter: Svarād Jagtī.

Svar: Nishād.

This Mantr starts from telling for whom the Heaven/Paradise/Jannat/Svarg is, and for whom not.

A person that only lives in imaginary ethical activities, and delivers nothing physically Janébhyah, for the people, can’t get Heaven/Paradise/Jannat/Svarg according to this Very Mantr.

Hinduism/Ved thus rejects the imaginary idea that Heaven/Paradise/Jannat/Svarg can be obtained by only lip services to Hinduism/Ved.

There must be physical, corporal activities too Janébhyah to get it, Svah’.

Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 12

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Ved: 2 Yajurved: Adhyāý 1: Mantr 10

Ved Bhāshý: 2 Yajurved:

Poorv Vinshati:

Adhyāý 1: Mantr 10

DSM Satyarthi

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Dévasý tvā savituh prasavé ashvinorbāhubhyām pūshño hastābhyām.

Agnaýé jushŧam gr’hñāmi.

Agnīsomābhyām jushŧam gr’hñāmi.

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1In the perfect creation2 of the Divine Creator of all3, with arms of ashvinā couple4, with both the hands of the one that takes care of and brings up5, I take thee the sincerely loved one6, for Agni7.

I take for Agni and Som8.

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1 .Rshi: Paraméshŧhī Prajāpati.

Dévtā/ Divine Subject: Savitā, the Creator of all.

Chhand/Meter: BhurigBr’hatī.

Svar: Madhyam.

2. The creation isn’t imperfect as so many of the people complain whenever they don’t get their desired results, ‘Prasavé’.

Lord Bhagvān Kr’shñ has answered this complain perfectly:

Karmañýévādhikārasté mā phaléshu kadāchan,

Mā karmphalhéturbhūrmā té sango’stvakarmañi.

 

Your right is only in action, never in results.

Never be obsessed in the results, neither your obsession be in inaction.’

Shrīmad BhagavadGītā: 2|47

Nevertheless the persons have destroyed its actual meaning Lord Bhagvān Kr’shñ meant.

The fault is not in the Creations.

The Creations are perfect, ‘Prasavé’.

The fault is in the complainers themselves.

They don’t know and understand the ever perfect system working in the entire infinite Creations ever.

Neither they are ever serious to understand it.

They even don’t understand it’s immensely injurious to themselves, to none else.

Until and unless they don’t understand it, their problems would never be solved.

Complaint isn’t its solution.

Its correct solution is to understand the system correctly and then act accordingly.

 

 Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 11

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Ved: 2 Yajurved: Adhyāý 1: Mantr 9

Ved Bhāshý: 2 Yajurved:

Poorv Vinshati:

Adhyāý 1: Mantr 9

DSM Satyarthi

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Ahrutamasi havirdhānam dr’gvonghasv mā hvārmā té yagýpatirhvārshīt.

Vishñustvā kramatāmuru vātāýāpahatagvong raxo yachchhantām panch.

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1Devoid of cunningness art thou.

Strengthen the worship containing the allegiance to self-surrender2.

Do not totter3.

Neither your master of best work totter4.

All pervading mount you5 with spouse6.

For immense open atmosphere7.

Expelled are demons individually8.

Offer five you two individually9.

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1 .Rshi: Paraméshŧhī Prajāpati.

Dévtā/ Divine Subject: Vishñu, the all-pervading.

Chhand/Meter: Nichr’d Trishŧup.

Svar: Dhaivat.

This Mantr starts with alerting against cunningness in worship.

In R’gved Eīshān Param Brahm Paramātmā has told us the entire eternal system working in the infinite Creations created by Him.

Swayambhūryāthātathyato’arthānvyadadhāchchhāshvatībhyah samābhyah.’

The Self Existent constituted perfectly the aims for eternal people for ever.’

 

From Yajurved the application of the principles enunciated in R’gved has started.

Ved presents religion in a scientific way.

R’gved presents its theory part and the remaining three parts, Yajurved, Sāmved and Atharv Ved present its implementation part scientifically.

Worship, as far as the science is concerned, is only the positive programming of brain and body.

It isn’t any superstition at all, as the atheists think and boast everywhere proudly.

They advertise it as proudly as if they have searched the entire infinite Creations yet they never found any Eīshān Param Brahm Paramātmā/Allah/God anywhere.

What a nonsense it is.

Why these self-proclaimed all-knowing ones don’t understand that there are so many things that we can’t see or touch, yet they exist?

To understand such things we have to use our brain not eyes or other sensory organs.

Moreover, what we can see or touch is too much less than what we can’t touch or see, yet they exist.

None of any Vedic Monotheist Hindu is compelling anyone to worship Eīshān Param Brahm Paramātmā.

Everyone is absolutely free to worship him or not.

 

The Mantr starts to keep away from cunningness, in worship; otherwise, it won’t work.

The worship is a psychological scientific process that works only if the practitioner exerts all his/her efforts truthfully.

The more one tries to save from it, the more s/he loses.

2. ‘Havirdhānam dr’gvonghasv’.

It’s a scientific process.

It can’t work perfectly if your allegiance to self surrender, Havirdhānam, is not perfect.

If someone can’t do it, it’s better s/he shouldn’t worship at all.

 

  1. It would never let you succeed if you totter ‘hvāh’.

4. If he himself totters, you can’t get proper scientific guidance from him.

5. If you yourself don’t understand the all-pervading of the eternal constitution, enunciated in Ved, at least let your frequency surrender to Param Purush, or at least someone who understands this scientific psychological process better than you do.

6. ‘Kramatām’ Dvivachan.

7. It can free you from all your shortcomings and there would be no limit of your future success.

8. Your will power would be enough to expel them if you practice meditation and Trishapt with the scientific process We are telling you to follow.

It would increase your power immensely.

Yet it can’t happen immediately:

S’ tu dīrghkāl satkārāsévit dr’dhbhūmih.’

 9. The five Stavans would take care of you perfectly.

Moreover, the donation of the fifth part of your income to the Sangaŧhan, organization organized according to Sangaŧhan Sookt would take care of your financial needs.

One may not believe it, but it’s a matter of experiment.

There are so many persons that have experimented it, found correct and now it’s an integral part of their life.

 

 Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 10

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Ved: 2 Yajurved: Adhyāý 1: Mantr 8

Ved: 2 Yajurved:

Poorv Vinshati:

Adhyāý 1: Mantr 8

DSM Satyarthi

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Dhoorasi. Dhoorv dhoorvantam. Dhoorv tam yo’smān dhoorvati. Tam dhoorv yam wayam dhoorvāmah.

Dévānāmasi vahnitamagvong sasnitamam papritamam jushŧtamamam dévhootamam.

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1Blaster/yoke art thou2.

Blast blaster3.

Blast him who blasts Us4.

Blast him whom We blast5.

Best carrier of divine ones art thou6, bound most firmly7, filled fullest8, the best selfless lover9, the best invoker of the divine ones10.

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1 .Rshi: Paraméshŧhī Prajāpati.

Dévtā/ Divine Subject: Agni, one who leads to light.

Chhand/Meter: Nichr’d Atijagatī.

Svar: Nishād.

This beautiful Mantr rejects the common recognized and well-accepted idea of Dharm, religion.

There are some persons who have utopian idea of ethics and humanity.

Doubtlessly, Dharm, or religion, is actually nothing but a movement of humanity.

Hinduism/Ved claims that it’s actually a movement of humanity leading to infinite divinity.

It itself establishes the principle that non violence is the best ethics.

Yet it never closes its eyes from the facts.

It never advises its followers to live in fools’ paradise.

It establishes the principle of using force too if the evils use force to win the well doers.

2. You never live in fools’ paradise. Yet you never blast anyone for something sinister.

3. Never blast anyone who doesn’t blast anyone.

You are a blaster, ‘Dhoorasi’ ‘dhwarati hinsākarmā’.

Yes, it were better if there never were any blast at all.

Yet none can predict and control the evil doers.

If they blast the well doers, the well doers have no other options to blast the evil doers themselves.

If one can’t stop blasting, isn’t it better that the evil doers should be blasted instead of the well doers?

 Yajurved: Adhyaay’ 1| Mantr 9

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